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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48651: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:32:31 PM

[up][up][up] I mean. I'm not so sure about that.

Partly because said TV Show has an entire country that watches it.

And has episodes that are basically the length of movies.

And has a ridiculous amount of both fans and merchandise.

edited 28th Dec '15 1:32:52 PM by unnoun

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48652: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:33:00 PM

He's in that position now but Into Darkness was what turned him from a liked British TV actor into a bankable movie star.
That doesn't explain his headlining appearance in two other films the year it came out.

edited 28th Dec '15 1:34:36 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48654: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:34:10 PM

There is still a difference between "this guy is popular on Netflix" and "this guy carried a movie that made us $700 million."

[up][up]Those were lower key drama films not huge blockbusters.

edited 28th Dec '15 1:34:57 PM by Canid117

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48655: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:34:27 PM

This isn't really a disagreement so much as an addendum, but I'd counter that while white racism is unambiguously the most broadly damaging form of racism in the US and deserves the most focus, that doesn't mean we should implicitly tolerate or dismiss the other kinds that are out there just because it's a bigger problem, since they can still have serious negative impact on the lives of others at an individual or communal if not necessarily a societal level. Not to mention a lot of nonwhite racists have used such arguments as power+prejudice=racism to excuse their own bigotry against other nonwhite groups.

More on topic is Cumberbatch the first Marvel lead to already be a triple-A actor at the time of his casting?

edited 28th Dec '15 1:37:09 PM by AlleyOop

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48656: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:34:42 PM

I think that post was about Martin Freeman?

Ah. Ambiguous wording strike again.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48657: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:34:56 PM

There is no way that before Star Trek Into Darkness came out in April 2013, Cumberbatch was not going to be a lead in 12 Years a Slave in August or The Fifth Estate in September.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48658: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:36:51 PM

@ comicwriter- Not unexpected but unsure about some of the specifics- Although I thought it was likely that Cap would at least seeming be killed off in the movie, the fact that Chris Evans has more recently been up for more movies made me think there would be some ambiguity about him dying- like a "never found the body" type thing

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48659: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:36:56 PM

Since when did Cumberbatch carry Into Darkness? It was the sequel to a popular film in a well known franchise. It would have done well without him.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48660: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:37:03 PM

While 12 years a slave is widely considered a great movie it isn't something that would have solidified his career.

And no one gave a shit about the Fifth Estate within 3 months of its release.

[up]Perhaps carried was the wrong word but that was the movie that proved him to be a reliable blockbuster asset which is what Hollywood gears and centers itself around.

edited 28th Dec '15 1:38:28 PM by Canid117

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48661: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:38:05 PM

[up]*8: Yeah. Grain of salt. Not that that's not likely, but that post is basically just repackaging one or two things we already know or suspect, and nothing else. If it were a real leak there'd probably be more to it than that.

edited 28th Dec '15 1:39:48 PM by KnownUnknown

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48662: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:39:25 PM

I mean. All I'm saying is that Cumberbatch had already been offered two roles for 2013, both of which could easily make him a star (and you can argue at least one did.) He could've afforded to turn down Into Darkness.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48663: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:39:38 PM

I've been expecting Cap's death since the movies title was revealed.

[up]He didn't know that at the time. Hindsight 20/20 and all that.

edited 28th Dec '15 1:40:40 PM by Canid117

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48664: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:41:24 PM

Honestly my feeling is kind of "so what?" to the fact that he has been cast in a lot of movies.

Besides Into Darkness, he was a good fit for all of those roles. Like I'd also mention that he fairly recently played the lead in the Parades End min-series but was again perfectly cast, since the protagonist is this icy, repressed upper-class British guy.

He's not the only actor that seems to be in everything nowadays (Jennifer Laurence and Bradly Cooper also come to mind) but I don't get the idea of hating the actor, especially with such vehemence, because of that.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48665: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:42:35 PM

Honestly a lot of it sounds like the usual bandwagon effect.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48666: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:28:16 PM

My only real issue with Cumberbatch as Strange is that he just doesn't look the part to me.

Something about his face and Strange's face just don't line up right to my eyes, and he can't rock the goatee look all that well.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48667: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:29:50 PM

I wouldn't call that unhealthy.

I'd call it an accurate assessment of the forms of race-based discrimination that most of the western world has ingrained in it at a systemic and cultural level.

I call it the new "Red Scare".

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48668: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:33:31 PM

Yes, well, once the government starts locking people up for being white or white sympathizers, and releasing propaganda videos about the evils of white people, then we'll talk.

Alternate, equally snarky answer: It's only the new Red Scare if we assume the government during the actual Red Scare was mostly run by communists.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#48669: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:39:42 PM

[up] That.

Any rhetoric that implies that white people are the real victims of racism is flawed at a basic, fundamental level.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48670: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:41:24 PM

Yes, well, once the government starts locking people up for being white or white sympathizers, and releasing propaganda videos about the evils of white people, then we'll talk.
It's more of a social media thing than a government thing. Pardon the hyperbole.

[up]Well, I'll go one better and say the idea of inherent "victim cred" based on color, sex, orientation, etc. is pretty terrible. So you have a point.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:49:51 PM by nervmeister

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48671: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:43:45 PM

Well, so long as you're not bringing the government into it and you're only implying that there's massive societal suspicion of white people on par with the suspicion of communists during the Cold War, that's fine then.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:44:00 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48672: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:48:35 PM

There are no real or fake victims of racism. There are victims of racism from every race.

So how about them Marvel movies guys?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48673: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:48:35 PM

I call it the new "Red Scare".

It's more of a social media thing than a government thing. Pardon the hyperbole.

...I mean, I fail to see how recognizing that some groups have historically and traditionally had access to more privileges and power than others has anything in common with witch hunts.

There are no real or fake victims of racism. There are victims of racism from every race.

Eh.

I mean, I actually disagree with Wack'd, because I'd say that racism is more about discrimination than it is about prejudice, and. Like. White people might have people that are prejudiced against them for their race. But discrimination tends to be big, and involve lots of rules and codes and systems and the fact of the matter is that in most western societies, those systems typically tend to help white people more than anyone else.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:50:40 PM by unnoun

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#48674: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:50:52 PM

So let's talk about The Maximoff twins!

I like their accents and can't wait until we get more.

Seriously, guys, this is getting out of hand and off topic.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:51:20 PM by ultimatepheer

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48675: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:52:20 PM

Where exactly in the Baltics is Sokovia supposed to be located?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins

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