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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48576: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:58:41 AM

If the film contains actually commentary on the race change the way Iron Man 3 did I think I'll be okay with it.

So he used the wrong term when trying to make a valid point about how there's a comparison available with developmental difficulties?
He didn't use the wrong term, he dropped a massive stereotype.

edited 28th Dec '15 11:01:06 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48577: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:00:47 AM

[up][up][up]Are they gonna pull the old "Ras al Ghul" bait-n-switch on us again?

Or maybe he's a grayer adaptation of Chthon.

edited 28th Dec '15 11:02:34 AM by nervmeister

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48578: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:01:51 AM

Ra's wasn't actually a commentary on anything. It subverted expectations but didn't say anything about why those expectations are fucked up.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48579: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:03:24 AM

It's strange (pun intended). Chiwetel Ejiofor has been cast as Modo and Michael Struhlbarg is playing Nichodemus West, who also has the "friend turned evil' angle in the comics that the movie seems to be going for with Ejiofor's Mordo.

So no clue on who Mads is playing. Unless maybe he's Dormammu?

edited 28th Dec '15 11:04:34 AM by Hodor2

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48580: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:03:33 AM

[up][up]Sorry. That post wasn't meant for you. Fucking ninjas.

edited 28th Dec '15 11:04:37 AM by nervmeister

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48581: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:07:04 AM

I think they might do it the way they did Sinestro in Green Lantern: starter villain plot (comparing Mads' character to Hector Hammond, since I hope they don't rush Dormammu like GL did Parallax) in which the arch enemy is still good, drop a few hints that the archenemy is dissatisfied and going to switch sides, have him do so at the very end to set up a sequel.

I guess it's also First Class Magneto, though Sinestro fits a bit more for the setting.

On the other hand, if it turns out Mads is the real Mordo I think I might throw something at the movie screen. If it turns out Mads is some kind of fake Mordo, I won't throw anything but I will wonder what the point was.

edited 28th Dec '15 11:07:41 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48582: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:17:25 AM

[up][up][up]Does Strange have any other sorcerer villains other than Mordo? There's Kaluu, but it's probably not him.

Maybe it's a non-human villain using some sort of cover identity?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48583: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:22:27 AM

Kaluu, anyone?

edited 28th Dec '15 11:24:53 AM by nervmeister

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48584: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:50:12 AM

Seeing as how people were complaining about Cumberbatch being in the movie loooong before those comments I'm pretty sure you are projecting.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48585: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:51:02 AM

As for that particular instance, it has more to do with society's general illiteracy towards autism than Cumberbatch himself having an exceptionally unsavory opinion of people with autism. Also for the most part it's a more rarely-brought up example among a sea of "your fave is problematic"-style complaints because he's popular. The only reason Wackd and the rest of us even know about that particular incident is because someone here actively went looking for it. It's hardly a common criticism of him.

The more consistent other complaint that I see about him is that he's badly typecast in this role. You know exactly what you're going to see from him, no more and no less, in contrast to other instances where a pleasant surprise usually awaits viewers.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:00:47 PM by AlleyOop

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48586: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:51:04 AM

[up]That's what I noticed too. There simply wasn't a good reason to be against him as Strange in general.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48587: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:51:52 AM

Seeing as how people were complaining about Cumberbatch being in the movie loooong before those comments I'm pretty sure you are projecting.
He was cast in 2011? Huh.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#48588: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:53:44 AM

Honestly, I think Cumberbatch as Dr. Strange is actually really good casting. If it were up to me, he would be in the top five picks for the role.

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#48589: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:58:53 AM

[up][up] If this post is implying he made the autism comments in 2011, why are they being brought up now, 4 years afterwards, and why were they not mentioned in relation to any of the movies he's done before Dr Strange?

If I interpreted wrong, then I apologise and feel free to ignore me.

Cortex should take a 12-step plan off a 10-step pier
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48590: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:59:49 AM

A third complaint I just remembered people bringing up about Cumberbatch is that the Strange role is apparently whitewashed, and that for him to accept the role instead of letting a nonwhite person have it is obviously a deliberate act of hatred on his part against nonwhites. Which doesn't make sense to me on multiple levels, considering the character was explicitly modeled after the very white Vincent Price.

Not to mention a lot of the arguments for Doctor Strange's not being white is pretty specious or based on ignorant stereotypes, like a few choice panels where Dr. Strange has almond-shaped eyes being proof he's actually of East Asian descent. Despite various things like Benedict Cumberbatch having eyes that look exactly like that in real life, that particular artist giving almond-shaped eyes to all of his characters regardless of race, and the fact that Strange has blue eyes and those are not common in East Asians at all.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:06:08 PM by AlleyOop

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48591: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:01:33 PM

[up]Did you find these complaints on Tumblr by any chance?

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48592: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:03:42 PM

"He was cast in 2011? Huh. "

Hmmm I was under the impression these comments were made recently and for that I apologize.

Must have something to do with being the first time I have heard of them and the most common complaint I hear is "Waaaah he's everywhere!"

But then I don't hang out on Tumblr...

[up]Those comments got mentioned here just after he was cast and yes they originated from Tumblr.

[down]I have seen them mentioned by literally no one but you.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:06:10 PM by Canid117

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48593: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:05:26 PM

If this post is implying he made the autism comments in 2011, why are they being brought up now, 4 years afterwards, and why were they not mentioned in relation to any of the movies he's done before Dr Strange?
Um, they have been. This controversy has been going on a very long time.

Just because you weren't aware of a thing doesn't mean it didn't happen.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:05:49 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48594: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:07:12 PM

It's not THE reason people don't want him specifically in this role though.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48595: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:07:38 PM

Those comments got mentioned here just after he was cast and yes they originated from Tumblr.

........I'm trying to at least act surprised but unfortunately I cant. tongue

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48596: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:08:37 PM

Oh, wait, Tumblr was complaining about what Cumberbatch said? Well, clearly that means he was completely in the right. Sorry for wasting everyone's time.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48597: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:11:45 PM

Actually I first heard about it on here. It was a thing in the YMMV page for the movie but I personally deleted it since it was not a particularly common criticism. The reason the vast majority of people have a beef with Cumberbatch really is just general Hype Backlash or Typecasting.

Political Correctness Gone Mad gets more attention but it really is a Vocal Minority view, or at least a non-unified soup of them. Not an excuse to whine about how "the evil SJ Ws ruining everything" again.

[up]Sigh, you're doing it again.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:13:54 PM by AlleyOop

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48598: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:12:09 PM

[up][up]I wasn't referring to the complaints about his remarks on autism.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:12:31 PM by nervmeister

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#48599: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:13:02 PM

No one said he was in the right. It's just that no one actually cared.

Because a famous guy accidentally said something insensitive. OH THE HUMANITY!

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
GavsEvans123 HAAAA! from the new ruins level (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
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#48600: Dec 28th 2015 at 12:13:22 PM

I heard somewhere that Benedict Cumberbatch playing a slave owner in 12 Years a Slave means he's a racist in real life. I don't agree with this, but I did have the amusing mental image of Benedict Cumberbatch saying "I'm not a racist, …But I Play One on TV."

@ Wackd: I wasn't aware that the Autism comments had been brought up with regard to his previous movies, so I apologise for thinking they hadn't. This is the first I've heard of them, so I thought they were a recent thing.

edited 28th Dec '15 12:17:25 PM by GavsEvans123

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