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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48551: Dec 28th 2015 at 7:27:08 AM

The beard needs to be bigger if they want to continue keeping the existence of aliens hidden tongue.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48553: Dec 28th 2015 at 7:44:09 AM

Truly, Dr. Strange is the Marvel Universe's greatest comically serious character. And he's not even that overly serious, it's just that the people around him love to push his buttons.

I'm trying to look up any of the times he and Spidey teamed up in Straczynki's Spider-Man run, because those are gold. I wouldn't mind a Spider-Man/Strange movie...

edited 28th Dec '15 7:44:22 AM by KnownUnknown

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48555: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:38:35 AM

I hate that they seem to have averted the problem of "what direction do the collar hooks point?" by doing away with them entirely.

Maybe they'll be digitally added later? With Mickey-Mouse-style perspective breaking and all? I can only hope.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48558: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:59:39 AM

Man, it sure is a damn shame that the Doctor Strange movie was canceled.

It would have been really cool to see that character in the MCU...

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48559: Dec 28th 2015 at 9:01:07 AM

Can we not? Please?

Like I know I've not always been the greatest proponent of maturity in here but pretending a movie doesn't exist just because you don't like the choices makes having conversations about it harder.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48560: Dec 28th 2015 at 9:02:16 AM

[up][up][up] I hope Benedict doesn't mean the movie will be primarily action oriented, and that there's a lot of worldbuilding and mystic stuff and all that jazz.

If ultimately Strange takes on Dormammu or even Mordo by giving them a proverbial punch in the face, then that's a shame. This is their chance to do something really grand.

edited 28th Dec '15 9:03:38 AM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48561: Dec 28th 2015 at 9:17:07 AM

Looks alright in the sketches, but the Sanctum seems a little sterile and underfurnished compared to what I was expecting.

edited 28th Dec '15 9:19:00 AM by AlleyOop

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#48562: Dec 28th 2015 at 9:52:05 AM

I'm looking forward to it.

No idea why people are getting mad at it for, what, casting Benedict Cumberbatch?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#48564: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:09:54 AM

That seems to be the main issue people have with it.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48566: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:14:21 AM

Cumberbatch's said some really insensitive shitty things about folks with autism.

I mean. It was clear when he said them that he was at least trying to come from a place of understanding and sympathy. He was doing a terrible job of it, but.

It's kind of on the low end of the "shitty things done by famous men" spectrum.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AntonioCC Since: May, 2012
#48567: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:14:22 AM

[up][up] I heard some people hate finding him everywhere lately, but I think that a very asinine reason.

[up] Link?

edited 28th Dec '15 10:15:12 AM by AntonioCC

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#48568: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:17:09 AM

I don't really think "Tries to be nice but sucks at it" is really something to abandon a movie over.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48569: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:20:33 AM

He said it on The Graham Norton Show, the You Tube of which doesn't seem to have the video anymore, but I did find a transcript.

[Frankenstein's Monster]’s basically being a man child, it’s being a man infant. And then, psychologically, Danny and Nick Dear, who’s adapted the Mary Shelley novel, into a brilliant two-and-a-half hour play version of it, he, they both have autistic sons. So we went to two extraordinary schools and met some high spectrum autistic kids. And it was very, very humbling and amazing and very upsetting, but very, very extraordinary as well, and inspiring. And especially the people looking after them, and these amazing life forces, but just formed with…*sigh* um, socially just things that are outside of everyday. You know, there are certain barriers that aren’t there because of the arrested development that… there was a 17 year old that had the mental age of, I think, an 18 month old. I mean, it was…

It’s…it’s…it’s really really extraordinary and very upsetting. And uh, it was important for them to realize that the Creature in their story was not their… the monster of old… the monster of the gothic horror stories. He’s very much an innocent. He’s very much someone who is carried through life, as someone who is so different, not only because of his appearance, but because of these behaviorial tics, which are very autistic, um, both in his understanding of the world, psychologically and emotionally, but also physically as well, how that manifests later in his body. And so that was the major part of the preparation.

So, like, yeah. Clearly trying to be sympathetic but "there was a 17 year old that had the mental age of, I think, an 18 month old" is both deeply misunderstanding how autism works and completely fucking insulting to whoever that kid was, like, jesus fuck.

edited 28th Dec '15 10:21:40 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48570: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:22:43 AM

This is what Feige had to say about the villain played by Mads Mikkelsen.

“Mads’ character is a sorcerer who breaks off into his own sect,” Feige revealed. “[He] believes that the Ancient One is just protecting her own power base and that the world may be better off if we were to allow some of these other things through.”

As to why we don’t have a name for Mads Mikklesen’s villainous character to accompany EW’s first look at Doctor Strange, which has come just two months after filming began, executive producer Stephen Broussard told the magazine: “I’ve seen lots of names thrown around. No one has quite picked the name that we’ve chosen for him. It would be fun to conceal that, if we can.”

...which is bizarre because that sounds almost exactly like Baron Mordo.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#48571: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:24:01 AM

it was definitely not a good or tactful thing to say, but i'd be more concerned with the issue of whether cumberbatch recognized he was being insensitive after the fact. we shouldn't not hold people unaccountable for faux pas but most of us have said something insensitive or ignorant without meaning to as well.

some people have also complained about tilda swinton being cast, not because she's a bad actress but because they felt it was whitewashing.

edited 28th Dec '15 10:25:40 AM by wehrmacht

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48572: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:26:04 AM

I can see that, yeah. I'm not thrilled with the Ancient One being a white person either, but, well.

I dunno. I think this'll be the first Marvel movie I'll wait for the reviews on rather than rushing to see.

I don't think Cumberbatch ever actually apologized, incidentally.

edited 28th Dec '15 10:26:21 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48573: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:44:52 AM

I thought the pushback against Benedict Cumberbatch was just some anti-popularity. I'm actually rather glad there's some substance to his hate now.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48574: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:52:35 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, that's weird. It sounds exactly like Baron Mordo, maybe mixed with Sinestro a bit.

As for the Ancient One, it's grimly amusing that this is the second time Marvel's avoided possible racial controversy by just making characters white.

edited 28th Dec '15 10:56:58 AM by KnownUnknown

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#48575: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:58:31 AM

So he used the wrong term when trying to make a valid point about how there's a comparison available with developmental difficulties? That's realy it? It feels kinda like people wanted an excuse to dislike him and just latched onto whatever they could find.

edited 28th Dec '15 10:58:43 AM by Silasw

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