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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#48426: Dec 17th 2015 at 1:47:56 PM

Pretty sure the set names for the Black Panther and Crossbones sets are swapped.

Also Captain Marvel's in the cartoon set with Hyperion, and the Giant-Man figure in the airport set looks kinda dopey. Lego Sharon Carter was a nice surprise, though.

This place is careless.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48427: Dec 17th 2015 at 3:20:30 PM

[up]It's pretty funny they somehow mixed up Black Panther with a Neo-Nazi. tongue

As for Giant-Man, toy sets are known for taking a lot of liberties with the film, but I do think this would make sense here. Everything else on that box seems to line up with what we know about that scene (except maybe the Quinjet), and Peyton Reed said something in an interview about being jealous about Civil War doing something with Ant-Man he wished he'd gotten to do in the first Ant-Man movie.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48428: Dec 17th 2015 at 3:20:32 PM

Lego Red Skull in a Hydra submarine?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48429: Dec 17th 2015 at 3:46:33 PM

Giant-Man being in Civil War is known from the Joblo leaks.

Re: Lego sets and spoilers:
The Ant-Man ones showed Hank Pym getting into an old suit and the Iron Man 3 ones had Tony vs the Mandarin-mobile. Yeah...

edited 17th Dec '15 3:49:18 PM by AlleyOop

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#48431: Dec 17th 2015 at 3:54:36 PM

Okay, I'm a little late to the conversation, but I have to ask: am I really the only one that isn't taking it as fact that the Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents? because I've watched that movie several times now, and that's not what I took away from that sequence at all.

Not to mention, why would they need the Soldier, a very resource-heavy asset, to stage a car accident? Seems awfully below his rating to me.

I understand he did kill the Starks in the comics, but this isn't the comics. The cinematic universe is a completely different continuity.

Please note, in the upcoming Civil War, it would not surprise me at all if Tony blames Bucky for his parents murder regardless of whether he actually did or not. Which, now that I think of it, would make the conflict between Steve and Tony that much more personal.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48432: Dec 17th 2015 at 4:08:55 PM

[up]No, you are not the only one. I don't see why they should send a sniper to fake an accident, especially since there is always the risk that Bucky remembers.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48433: Dec 17th 2015 at 4:14:44 PM

[up][up] That's what I thought when I saw that scene too. Seems too much work for just sabotaging a car's breaks improperly, and that they were referring to HYDRA as a whole being complicit in his assassination, but that it just happened to be timed with the shot of the Winter Soldier.

But thinking on it again, the other possible explanation is that Howard and Maria Stark knew they were in the crosshairs and were well protected, but the Winter Soldier got past their defenses, gave chase, they got into a car, and then crashed trying to escape him because he was that good, and HYDRA had enough control over the media to sell it as a simple crash.

Anyway, if Tony blames Bucky for the deed, even though Bucky was essentially a HYDRA gun with feet, then I hope Wanda or Steve points out the irony of Tony not being to blame for his company's bombs falling on Sokovia.

edited 17th Dec '15 4:18:40 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48434: Dec 17th 2015 at 5:08:56 PM

I understand he did kill the Starks in the comics, but this isn't the comics. The cinematic universe is a completely different continuity.

He didn't kill the Starks in the comics.

People believe Bucky killed the Starks because it'd provide more incentive for Tony to want him taken down.

edited 17th Dec '15 5:09:37 PM by comicwriter

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48435: Dec 17th 2015 at 5:42:47 PM

Also because there is a shot in Zola's rant montage that looks like the Soldier lining up a shot, shortly before he reveals the Starks were assassinated.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48436: Dec 17th 2015 at 8:20:09 PM

Not that I know of though something of the reverse once happened:

Matt had a bunch of marvel characters with similar levels of agility (Nightcrawler, Iron Fist, that Arana girl) put on Spidey costumes and bounce around to impersonate him when the latter was on trial.

One Strip! One Strip!
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#48437: Dec 17th 2015 at 8:52:53 PM

[up][up][up]Huh. I thought I'd read somewhere (this thread or somewhere on Tumblr, maybe) that in the comics Bucky did kill Tony's parents, which was why people assumed the same was true in the movie. Or maybe I really did read that, and just didn't realize it was wrong. I guess that's the downside to having never read the comics.

edited 17th Dec '15 8:53:14 PM by MedusaStone

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#48439: Dec 18th 2015 at 7:34:32 AM

[up] "War Hammer"? The fuck?

Oh God! Natural light!
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48440: Dec 18th 2015 at 7:39:37 AM

I once made a "My black best friend can beat up your best black best friend" joke about Stark and Rogers and in this promo art, you know what's right there? Falcon fighting War Machine.

This crap writes itself.

Also, I see someone in the writing room made a mistake. "War Hammer". I mean, unless they're implying Osborn took over the suit or something.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48441: Dec 18th 2015 at 7:55:27 AM

Black Widow vs Antman? That is unfair! She doesn't have any tech to spot him!

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#48442: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:09:33 AM

I really hope Giant Man happens. That'd be rad.

edited 18th Dec '15 8:09:50 AM by Zeromaeus

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48443: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:22:49 AM

[up]If I remember correct, Reed did suggest that might happen at some point, right?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48444: Dec 18th 2015 at 8:38:44 AM

Scarlet Witch is fighting Vision?

What?

One Strip! One Strip!
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48445: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:05:47 AM

Look man, I know it looks bad with Wanda and Vision fighting right now, it's one of those things every couple has to go through in their life, but once it's all over it's a guarantee that the relationship will be stronger for it

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48446: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:21:36 AM

[up]I don't know man.

Remember that time she went crazy and melted him?

Some stuff, you don't come back from.

One Strip! One Strip!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48447: Dec 18th 2015 at 10:41:03 AM

Noticed Sharon's not in either pic, interesting. I guess all the flame wars over Sharon "stealing" Wanda's rightful place in the movie were really premature. Though I'm a little worried she'll continue to be so Out of Focus any romance would feel out of place.

edited 18th Dec '15 10:42:40 AM by AlleyOop

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#48448: Dec 18th 2015 at 11:22:19 AM

I like Sharon. I hope we get to see lots of moments with her being badass.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48449: Dec 18th 2015 at 12:31:31 PM

On the Hot Toys front there's several people not in the pic. Black Panther, Ant-Man and Spider-Man aren't there either.

For the concept art that seems to be of the big airport fight, and from what we saw in the trailers at least, she might not be there.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48450: Dec 18th 2015 at 2:26:31 PM

Why is Black Panther fighting in the first place. He has no stakes in that conflict.


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