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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Makes sense.
And now it hits me, Stane seemed like he was just rampaging pointlessly in the end. After all, he had nowhere to go right?
Oh, he same somewhere to go, and someone to go to. He knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe he dicked around a bit too much and tried to kill Tony when he should have been running, but beyond that, he may not have been going as crazy as we thought he was.
Now, we know they had a plan when they started this, but you have to wonder how fully formed it was back then. Was Stane being revealed to be part of Hydra something they'd had in mind back then, or is it only something they realized was possible in hindsight? Was Hydra's influence in Shield always on the table, or did it only gain strength as the universe became more fully formed?
One Strip! One Strip!Perhaps, though Joe Johnson was supposedly going to direct The Winter Soldier at first back when The First Avenger came out. And I forget whether the Russos or Feige came up with the SHIELD is HYDRA twist.
As for Stane I figured he was just teaming up with HYDRA out of convenience because he wanted control of Stark's company out of pure greed, they also wanted him dead, and they were willing to do the work for him. I don't know if I'm comfortable with HYDRA ultimately being responsible for everything, on the one hand it means Marvel Studios isn't Writing by the Seat of Your Pants and that a lot of Fridge Brilliance is intentional, but it would be a little too Metal Gear Solid 4 Patriots-esque of a retcon if that was the case.
edited 16th Dec '15 12:24:34 PM by AlleyOop
That's some really cool fridge brilliance Re the earlier films.
With Stane, reminds me of this line from Ant-Man that I thought was great. Where Cross boasts about selling tech to Hydra and then in response to the looks of horror on the others' faces nonchalantly says this is a new/different version of Hydra in contrast to the old (Nazi) one.
It's funny because fans (myself included) have debated whether the New Hydra should be tarred with the brush of the old one. But also, I get a sense that like Stane, Cross was on board with what he understood to be hawkish plans to advance American interests- which would also make him really rich in the process.
Like I get the sense that both of them were sold a toned down version of Pierce's ideology/plans.
edited 16th Dec '15 12:22:48 PM by Hodor2
I don't think Stane was a member of HYDRA either. He's too much of an opportunist and businessman for that. He's out to make profit by selling to everyone who can bid high, and in that he's actually fairly transparent. That includes the good guys as well as the bad guys, and his only distinction is money - he expresses once or twice the idea that it doesn't matter where the conflict is coming from, as long as he controls the weapons used he's fine with it.
But for that same reason, I don't doubt that he worked with them, or that he wouldn't have had a problem with HYDRA's existence even if he did know.
Cross is a good parallel, given that he's essentially a poor man's Stane: he's willing to work with HYDRA, but he himself isn't part of their organization.
edited 16th Dec '15 12:26:38 PM by KnownUnknown
It was Feige. He said it was thought up around the time they wrapping up filming The Avengers
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edited 16th Dec '15 12:24:07 PM by Tuckerscreator
Ok. Fair enough.
So not part of Hydra, but still probably tied to them, and using them to get what he wants.
They of course, we using him to get what they wanted as well.
One Strip! One Strip!This actually would be a pretty awesome plotline for Agent Carter later down the road. Seeing Howard Stark's eventual partnership with Obadiah Stane and Stane's subsequent dealings with HYDRA. We've already seen Anton Vanko, who we know will switch sides, now we need Obadiah.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Seconded, although the showrunners have stated that they don't intend to take their show past the point at which SHIELD is founded, at least for now. Shame since I think the fifties would be a rich period in terms of storytelling potential and relevant comic storylines to adapt (William Burnside, I'm lookin' at you).
Nope, plausible deniability all the way.
edited 16th Dec '15 4:20:53 PM by AlleyOop
Stane never says he killed Howard, which does seem odd since he basically rants about everything else in his showdown against Stark, so this would indicate he either legitimately had nothing to do with it, was responsible for it very indirectly or he actually did it but regrets it.
And yeah, Zola made very clear during his speech the Winter Soldier was involved. He's talking about how the winter soldier killed anyone who stood in HYDRA's path, Romanoff talks about how someone would have stopped him, and Zola just wryly adds "Accidents...will happen."
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Yeah, Stane probably had nothing to do with Howard's death.
You know, it's kinda funny that they went out of their way to engineer Howard's death via Winter Soldier assassination. Wasn't he in his 90's by then? Couldn't they just have Rumlow jump out from behind a mailbox and say "Boo!"?
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Apparently he was born 1917, and died 1991, which would make him 74 at his age of death,
Is this a Jo Jo reference?

In The Winter Soldier Zola talks about how Hydra took steps to remove people that they viewed as threats. While talking about this a newspaper advertising the death of Tony's parents is shown. Since Stane already admitted to killing them in Iron Man 1 I think it's pretty clear he was affiliated with Hydra. He just died before it became relevant.