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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#48276: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:01:25 PM

Are you saying that women can't be villains? How rude

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48277: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:15:25 PM

Hey, Sharknado, can you stop with that thing you always do when you go "People calling for more diversity think white people sure are the devil HURR HURR" ? Thanks.

That level of passive aggressiveness sure doesn't support whatever point you're trying to make, for one thing.

edited 14th Dec '15 3:22:30 PM by higherbrainpattern

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#48278: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:24:36 PM

Just as soon as Wackd stops his gimmick of "change all the genders and races regardless of logic or narrative cohesiveness or any prior interpretation of a character that has ever existed because I said so" that isn't even passive aggressive.

My various fanfics.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48279: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:34:29 PM

It's not a gimmick.

THIS IS WHAT WACK'DS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

edited 14th Dec '15 3:34:40 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48280: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:37:47 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think responding to one extreme statement with another ever solved things. If anything it just pisses people off and makes things worse. And if your problem is with a particular poster then maybe it's more productive to talk it out amongst yourselves like rational individuals instead of lumping everyone else into one big strawman.

edited 14th Dec '15 3:41:26 PM by AlleyOop

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48281: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:43:50 PM

@Back a few pages: how an Inhumans movie starring Black Bolt could work when he doesn't talk; he could have an internal narration?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48282: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:04:43 PM

[up]Personally, I think superb body language plus interaction with the other characters can work wonders.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48283: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:06:05 PM

[up] As a fan of Sebastian Stan's performance in and as The Winter Soldier, I agree.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48284: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:06:41 PM

If it's Vin Diesel, well, he's had to same some pretty dumb stuff before so he might appreciate the lack of dialogue. I know Sebastian Stan said something to that extent.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48285: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:12:25 PM

And they didn't do a bad job with Hulk's wordless communication either. In fact, come Thor: Ragnarok, this will be more important than ever when he and the Odinson team up.

edited 14th Dec '15 4:15:48 PM by nervmeister

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48286: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:14:32 PM

Personally I wonder more how the Inhuman as a whole can work as movie protagonists. I mean, they are bit harder to identify to than most characters they have done so far, and much like the X-Men there are plenty of them so might be hard to make a solid cast. There is also the trouble they will have with making the movie match what was established in Agents of SHIELD without actually making a crossover since apparently that's their policy now.

edited 14th Dec '15 4:15:18 PM by Theokal3

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48287: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:19:49 PM

They could do internal monologue for Black Bolt, but I think it would be more interesting to have him be silent and have all his characterization come from body language and such.

Like Groot, but without even intoned "I am Groot"s to get his point across.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48288: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:23:33 PM

[up][up]Guardians of the Galaxy already proved that Marvel Studios can pull off the more obscure characters. And as for which ones to use, Black Bolt, Medusa, Lockjaw, Karnak, and Crystal are the staple members, I believe.

edited 14th Dec '15 4:23:56 PM by nervmeister

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48289: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:26:44 PM

Groot wasn't the lead. Black Bolt is supposed to be... I think. Or maybe he is just a Big Good figure like Xavier. I don't know that much about the Inhumans.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48290: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:28:02 PM

Medusa or Crystal can be the actual lead while Black Bolt is the Supporting Protagonist or The Lancer.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48291: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:30:36 PM

[up]That's actually not a bad idea. Plus that way we have a female lead WITHOUT having to turn Black Bolt into a chick.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48292: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:30:45 PM

Black Bolt hailing HYDRA.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48293: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:32:14 PM

Seems legit.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#48294: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:33:02 PM

Just as soon as Wackd stops his gimmick of "change all the genders and races regardless of logic or narrative cohesiveness or any prior interpretation of a character that has ever existed because I said so" that isn't even passive aggressive.

I'd like to offer the alternative of submitting to the will of Karkat The Dalek.

Merge your soul with mine! Become one with me!

I'd make sure that everyone was happy, honest! I have no reason not to. I'm told it's very liberating.

Oh God! Natural light!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48295: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:34:59 PM

Medusa or Crystal can be the actual lead while Black Bolt is the Supporting Protagonist or The Lancer.

I thought this was obvious to like, half of you.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48296: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:37:17 PM

[up][up]Seems legit.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#48297: Dec 14th 2015 at 5:05:53 PM

Like I said a little while ago, even if we were to set aside gender issues, Medusa could work better as the main protagonist of the Inhumans movie just because she can hold a normal conversation.

At minimum she's probably going to end up with more dialogue then any other character.

Silent main protagonists can work, but in a setting already so bizarre it might be especially difficult to do.

edited 14th Dec '15 5:06:26 PM by Falrinn

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#48299: Dec 14th 2015 at 5:36:02 PM

Groot wasn't the lead. Black Bolt is supposed to be... I think.

I am not well versed in the Inhumans, but most stories I've him focus on Medusa or Crystal, even when Black Bolt is a major character for the plot.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48300: Dec 14th 2015 at 7:37:53 PM

Just as soon as Wackd stops his gimmick of "change all the genders and races regardless of logic or narrative cohesiveness or any prior interpretation of a character that has ever existed because I said so" that isn't even passive aggressive.
I...fail to see how any of that is "passive aggressive." You do know what being passive aggressive means, right? If anything, the posts you make are much more passive aggressive than anything Wack'd has posted.

Look, we get it, you don't want anything changed from the comic books. For you, the comic versions are sacrosanct. But here's the thing: most of the characters in the comics were created in the '60s and '70s when there was a real diversity problem; when 99% of the characters were white men; when a woman was given a big role, she was subsequently written out in a horrible story that had her leave in the sunset with her rapist. Only a small percentage of the comics actually went for diversity and those were mainly the X-Men comics, which the MCU can't use.

So changing a characters race or gender to make sure that the MCU properly reflects the actual dynamics of the world in which we live seems like something that should be a no-brainer. After all, if Danny Rand was created today, why wouldn't his creator make him Asian-American? And a female Thor already exists in the Marvel universe, so why not use her in the movies?

Hell, a character in Jessica Jones was already genderswapped and pretty much nobody cared. (I'm not sure if Jeryn Hogarth had any fans, but still.)


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