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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#48251: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:12:23 PM

[up][up] Because Thor isn't a woman. The inscription on Mjolnir says " if he be worthy."

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/b9/Mjolnir.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050630033513

The reason for genderswapping is more female representation, right? But Marvel has a good excuse. Most of their prominent female heroes are at Fox.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:19:06 PM by FoxBoxKid

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48253: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:19:10 PM

[up][up] The current female Thor has some words for you.

Namely, WRONG.

And now the inscription says, "If she be worthy". The inscription change. It's not some immovable, unchangeable tenet.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:23:20 PM by higherbrainpattern

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48254: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:21:17 PM

Wait, so the argument against genderswapping Black Bolt is that the Inhumans already have a female lead?

There can be two, can't there?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48255: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:21:42 PM

[up][up][up][up] It's not so much that as audiences scratching their heads as to why Odin decided to name his daughter "Thor Odinson".

edited 14th Dec '15 2:23:34 PM by nervmeister

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#48256: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:22:25 PM

[up]x2 Crystal and Medusa.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:22:43 PM by FoxBoxKid

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48257: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:22:56 PM

[up][up][up][up] Good to know Jane as Thor doesn't let up on the phallic symbolism.

(I know you weren't actually responding to me, but I couldn't resist).

edited 14th Dec '15 2:23:16 PM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#48259: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:24:16 PM

The hammer likes Jane better.

It made Odinson quite gloomy.

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FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#48260: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:25:57 PM

[up][up] No, but I think being true to the original characters is more important than worrying about if there are enough women.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:27:11 PM by FoxBoxKid

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#48261: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:27:36 PM

If Marvel ever makes a Fantastic Four movie it should star Invisible Woman, She-Hulk, Medusa annnnnnnnnd Monica Rambeau.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48262: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:28:25 PM

I'm not necessarily averse to the idea of a female Thor (I mean I'm totally on board with Jane!Thor- I mean casting Thor from the outset with an actress).

However, I think the two suggestions offered would be woefully miscast.

Thor is basically a combination of a Shakespeare play and High Fantasy story and I just can't see Michelle Rodriguez in that milieu. It's not a racial thing but it is kind of a nationality thing (like basically everyone in Asgard needs to be a Brit or at least a Fake Brit).

And while I think Natalie Portman would work great for the kind of Thor who is a (weak) human empowered by magic, she doesn't seem at all a good fit for a Thor who is a muscle-bond (this part may be optional) Boisterous Bruiser and Blood Knight.

Not sure if the Christopher Walken suggestion was a joke. But I'd say that while he may actually be a decent fit for the classic comics Thor comics, where Loki was old and ugly looking (no offense to Walken) he doesn't really fit with the film's Loki who is in Thor's age range and is the brains to his brawn.

Like basically, the only requirement is that Thor and Loki are about the same age and (I think) gender and (seem to be) the same race.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:31:56 PM by Hodor2

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#48263: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:30:08 PM

[up][up] What about Reed, Ben, and Johnny?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#48264: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:31:41 PM

They're lost in the Negative Zone.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48265: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:31:46 PM

Why stop at just genderflipping 3 inhumans?

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48266: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:32:47 PM

[up][up][up] High Fantasy stories don't just happen in Medieval European Fantasy, y'know.

For example, a story could be High Fantasy set in a Wuxia setting.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:33:41 PM by higherbrainpattern

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48267: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:32:53 PM

[up][up][up][up]Then it'd be the Superfluous Seven.

Fantastic Five can work, maybe even Sufficient Six.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:33:11 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#48268: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:33:42 PM

I've often thought it was weird that there was a dude inhuman called Gorgon

And also weird that there was a Gorgon and a Medusa and these are just Inhuman names that have nothing to do with greek mythology or something.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48269: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:35:58 PM

@higherbrainpattern- Obviously they don't (although Thor does). I'm just saying that I couldn't really buy Michelle Rodriguez in a role that's not in a contemporary or future setting. Like I don't think she would fit in a Wuxia setting either (and for that matter, neither would most of the cast of the Thor movie).

edited 14th Dec '15 2:36:42 PM by Hodor2

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48270: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:50:47 PM

I have no opposition to most gender and raceswapping, but I find it sorta humorous that Michelle Rodriguez tends to come up the most considering she actually is against it.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#48271: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:55:45 PM

Why not just genderflip everyone except the villains and make all of the villains white American men in suits and ties with cigars calling every other character "Toots" or "broad"?

edited 14th Dec '15 2:56:04 PM by SonOfSharknado

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FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#48273: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:59:31 PM

[up] Except no one on that show is genderflipped.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#48274: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:59:40 PM

Exactly. And then no one will complain about Marvel's shallow pool of movie villains because they're all white men so who cares if they die anyway?

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FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#48275: Dec 14th 2015 at 3:00:47 PM

[up] #Villain Lives Matter

edited 14th Dec '15 3:01:35 PM by FoxBoxKid

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