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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48226: Dec 14th 2015 at 11:57:02 AM

@Higherbrainpattern- True. But that is interesting assuming that's the casting call for Danny.

What I do find interesting also is how young the character (?) is supposed to be. Like I know actors often play younger but as far as actor ages go, Mike Coulter is 39 and so this seemingly would call for a Danny that's significantly younger than Luke.

edited 14th Dec '15 11:57:54 AM by Hodor2

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48227: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:08:56 PM

Wasn't Chris Pratt kinda schlubby when he started in his role? Or did he get fit beforehand during casting?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48228: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:16:42 PM

I mean, let's not kid ourselves. The moment Marvel finds a good-looking white dude who can act, they'll cast him as Danny Rand no matter what. :|
Fixed. Netflix does at least have standards. Still though, who knows? There's a chance Netflix may surprise us.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48229: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:18:53 PM

[up][up]He isn't required to sell Kung fu moves.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48230: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:20:02 PM

[up]He did have to sell his dancing, however.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48231: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:29:13 PM

I mean, I think you can debate Chris Helmsworth's acting abilities. I'd say "well he just doesn't have much to work with" but I've seen him in The Cabin in the Woods, too, so I feel comfortable saying he cannot in fact act.

I'm not just saying that because of my well-established hatred of dude!Thor! I genuinely don't believe Helmsworth is a good actor!

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#48232: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:31:01 PM

I dunno who this Helmsworth guy is.

But I think Chris Hemsworth is pretty good.

My various fanfics.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#48234: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:39:21 PM

He manages to pull off what I want to see from Thor, so I'm fine with him.

Who would you rather be Thor, Wackd?

Oh God! Natural light!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#48235: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:40:19 PM

Probably Natalie Portman.

My various fanfics.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48236: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:40:20 PM

Hemsworth is a good actor. Have you seen Rush? He's pretty good in that.

Seriously, Wack'd, the Hemsworth/Thor hatred is getting pretty grating.

[up] Which would be AWESOME, by the way. But yeah, I like Chris Hemsworth as Thor.

edited 14th Dec '15 12:41:43 PM by higherbrainpattern

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48237: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:49:00 PM

I wasn't even trying to make it a thing. I just don't think he can act. Someone said Marvel only cast leading men who can act. So.

I probably would've cast Michelle Rodriguez as Thor, honestly.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48238: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:09:45 PM

[up]I'd rather cast Rodriguez as Alejandra Jones (Ghost Rider).

edited 14th Dec '15 1:10:23 PM by nervmeister

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#48239: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:24:18 PM

[up] That would be great.

Crow: There's a plot?
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48240: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:24:52 PM

I mean, this is early in the MCU thing, you want Thor to be a big tent-pole franchise, Rodriguez has some name recognition.

And then once we're in the "Marvel can do no wrong" stage, and you've got the clout to convince people Ghost Rider will work because people will buy whatever you sell, you can cast some up-and-comer as Jones.

edited 14th Dec '15 1:25:16 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48241: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:27:09 PM

And then cast Christopher Walken as Loki.

Oh dear god, I just imagined Christopher Walken saying, "I am burdened with glorious purpose." It would be amazing.

edited 14th Dec '15 1:27:18 PM by alliterator

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#48242: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:33:49 PM

[up]x5 Why would making Thor a woman make him a better character?

Make mine Marvel.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48243: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:34:10 PM

If I were to genderswap a major Marvel character, it would probably be Black Bolt.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48244: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:36:38 PM

Or Spider-Man? Well, maybe not Gender Flip so much as shift focus to Spider-Gwen, Arana, Mayday, or Silk.

edited 14th Dec '15 1:37:34 PM by AlleyOop

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#48245: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:36:42 PM

[up][up]Why?

edited 14th Dec '15 1:36:52 PM by FoxBoxKid

Make mine Marvel.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48246: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:54:23 PM

[up]We're soon going to have 3 MCU film series starring Royals Who Actually Do Something (Thor, Black Panther, and Inhumans). Having at least one out of those three be a queen would keep things fresh in the film line-up. And if she's married to Medusa, it would provide for an interesting take on how the culture/norms of a hidden nation of metahumans (all the way up to the monarchy) developed over the course of history.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:03:24 PM by nervmeister

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#48247: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:59:40 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I don't see much of a point in gender swapping Black Bolt in particular. Especially since if they wanted to make the Inhumans movie female-led, they'd just have to make Medusa the most important character to the overall narrative.

The nature of Black Bolt's powers alone make it pretty much a guarantee that barring the story being told from an outsider's perspective, Medusa will probably have the greatest volume of lines, even if Black Bolt will probably have the most important line.

Regarding Thor, gender swapping a lead character, regardless of how credible the actress is, would of been an enormous risk. Thor was already the most experimental Phase 1 film by a considerable margin, and the further they deviated from how the character was portrayed in the comics the less of the character's existing fanbase they can count on.

I'm not saying that a female led-Thor movie would of certainly failed, but even if they cast the most credible action-heroine actress on the planet it still probably would of been a bigger gamble then Marvel was probably comfortable with in Phase 1.

While I am generally of the view that they could of had a female-led film in Phase 1, but when the question becomes which movie should of been changed my only answer is Iron Man 2. Not out of any dislike of the film, but because there was already an Iron Man movie in Phase 1, and no other character has ever gotten 2 movies in a single phase.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:12:31 PM by Falrinn

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48248: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:09:12 PM

But... but... Vin Diesel Black Bolt!

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48249: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:09:46 PM

@Fox Box Kid: Why would a woman Thor be a worse character?

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48250: Dec 14th 2015 at 2:10:00 PM

[nja][up][up][up]If Mads Mikkelsen can star in a movie where he says nothing, and Tom Hardy can star in one where he speaks mostly in grunts and one-word sentences, then Black Bolt can be the main character of Inhumans.

edited 14th Dec '15 2:18:18 PM by nervmeister


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