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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48176: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:22:54 PM

Yeah, I don't know about Daredevil being a representative of everyday people either. He's a kid from a poor family who ended up alone and having to fend for himself, but right after that he fell under the tutelage of a drifter-ninja-master-assassin who attempted to induct him into an ancient order of ninja-master-assassin-guys, which stripped away a lot of his humanity and connection to society even though he didn't fall all the way.

Jessica and Luke have a "regular people trying to deal with their extraordinary lives" vibe, but Matt is a very Batman-esque: he's consumed by his mission and out of touch with the people around him, but feels he needs to be in order to succeed.

Even his approach as a lawyer is more "I'm an outsider entering the hell you're in to save you" rather than "I once lived a life just like yours, and want to help people who were like me."

edited 13th Dec '15 2:59:17 PM by KnownUnknown

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48177: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:32:05 PM

Enormous apartment doesn't necessarily mean "loaded out the wazoo". "Friends" Rent Control.

Also, the continued hate-on for everything about Danny Rand just never stops being hilarious. [lol] [tup]

edited 13th Dec '15 2:37:23 PM by Eagal

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48178: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:37:25 PM

[up]I never said he had a lot of money. Even so we never get any indication he's struggling to get by. He seems relatively comfortable.

edit: Compare the lives of Matt, Foggy, and Karen to someone like Ms. Cardenas.

edited 13th Dec '15 2:38:35 PM by Kostya

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#48179: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:41:10 PM

Matt, Foggy and Karen aren't really poor. They're more lower middle class/middle class.

Jessica, on the other hand, is poor.

edited 13th Dec '15 2:41:31 PM by MadSkillz

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48180: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:02:11 PM

[up][up][up] Who's even saying they hate everything about Danny Rand?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48181: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:06:43 PM

I don't think anyone here has said they hate Danny Rand so I'm confused as to where that sentiment comes from.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48183: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:13:23 PM

Well, someone brought up the idea Danny Rand didn't fit in the series because he was rich. Also quarrel about which is the most racist between having him white or asian.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48184: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:37:19 PM

.....

Holy Shit! I got it!

So due to the recent Immortal Iron Fist series, we know there's been more than Iron Fist right?

So people are going crazy saying Making him Asian would be racist, and Making him white would be racist and it seems like there's just no way to win right?

So, should he be Asian, or should he be white? Or even Latino as some have suggested?

People. There's been more than one Iron Fist.

Why does there need to be only one in this series?

Basically instead of one active Iron Fist, have multiple ones, all sharing the name.

Voila. Problem solved, all hail Rob.tongue

Marvel should have hired me.

I could honestly use the job.

One Strip! One Strip!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48185: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:40:46 PM

[up][up]Frankly, while I appreciate that these shows (and Ant Man even) call attention to how the system can especially be a pain the arse for those less well-off, I wouldn't mind seeing one of them rip apart the whole "oppression olympics" mentality by showing it for how unhealthy/poisonous it really is.

edited 13th Dec '15 5:05:50 PM by nervmeister

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48186: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:52:29 PM

[up][up] Only one of them can be THE lead though.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48187: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:58:23 PM

Not really. Tell the story of how they all trained together and reached the point of becoming Iron Fist.

Maybe focus on one in the actual Iron Fist show, have one of them (probably Danny) help out luke when he gets his show, and have another step in for Defenders.

You can have Daredevil cameo in Iron Fist (via the connection to the hand), then when all the defenders get together, you can have Luke and Matt be like Who's that dude? He's not Iron Fist! and then have him say I am Iron Fist and so's my wife!tongue

Right. Still has some bugs to work out, but I think it can work.

One Strip! One Strip!
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48188: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:27:50 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing one of them rip apart the whole "oppression olympics" mentality by showing it for how unhealthy/poisonous it really is.
hey guys i know they've just barely started making shows about people who have it bad but maybe they should start talking about the things the oppressed do wrong? that seems like a good message, on balance

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48189: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:34:52 PM

Yeah, not feelin' that idea nervmeister. At all.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48190: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:38:14 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I don't understand how "oppression olympics" (a term frequently misused by reactionaries to mean "social justice talk ever" instead of the Misery Poker it's actually supposed to describe) even has to do with a hypothetical Iron Fist adaptions.

[up][up]I know you're mad and I agree with you, but careful with the tone, it's not the kind that leads to good discussion.

edited 13th Dec '15 5:39:07 PM by AlleyOop

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48192: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:41:06 PM

[up][up][up][up] The mentality, Wackd. It can happen in anyone, ranging from the rich person who compares the idea of the wealthy (gasp) paying more taxes than everyone else to the Holocaust (yes, this happened) to a very polarized university student who thinks "white + male = opressor (whether he knows it or not)"

[up][up][up]That's fine.

edited 13th Dec '15 5:59:08 PM by nervmeister

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48193: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:45:59 PM

[up]That... still doesn't sound like "oppression olympics" to me? Sounds like your problem is more with Black-and-White Morality and Strawman Political, but the Netflix series have been good about focusing on the grey.

edited 13th Dec '15 5:48:48 PM by AlleyOop

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48194: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:48:16 PM

[up]Perhaps you're right. My wording sometimes misses the mark of what I mean (pardon).

edited 13th Dec '15 5:49:43 PM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#48195: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:56:08 PM

[up][up][up] I think you're strawmanning there with the latter. In my experience, it's more talking about how members of privileged groups benefit from their privilege, whether or not they realize it.

Oh God! Natural light!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48196: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:58:24 PM

[up]Glad you called that out. Consider it corrected.

edited 13th Dec '15 5:58:46 PM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#48197: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:03:05 PM

[up] You're welcome.

Oh God! Natural light!
FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#48198: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:51:17 PM

I think the only race Iron Fist shouldn't be is black because it would change the visual contrast between him and Luke.

Make mine Marvel.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48199: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:56:10 PM

[up]lol. No it wouldn't. The outfits are what matter in that regard.

edited 13th Dec '15 6:56:31 PM by nervmeister

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#48200: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:57:38 PM

The Iron Fist program is just an excuse to thin out the alien dragon population anyway.


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