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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48128: Dec 10th 2015 at 6:16:04 PM

I like the shield-arc reactor dichotomy.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48129: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:46:11 PM

I just hope this Thor 3 thing will spend most of the time on Asguard this time. If they try to include part on Earth so they can have Jane Foster &Co like they did in the Dark World, I am not sure that'll work. I mean, I did like some parts of Thor 2, but.... seriously, "the Dark World" was in the friggin' title, and they probably didn't spend more than a quarter of the movie on it!

Depends. If the name isn't just for show, then a good portion of the plot will probably involve this guy, who lives inside Earth, unless they decide to change that or his connection to Ragnarok for some reason (I can't imagine why they would, though).

If they're using name Ragnarok as a catch all for "big epic stuff happens involving Asgard" (a la Age of Ultron) and the villain is, say, Hela instead, then it might not be so prominent.

Either way, there'll probably be some Earth in there. "Prince who forgoes his life on Asgard to become protector of Midgard" is the premise of the character, after all. In fact, given that if anything he's barely there (Loki lampshades it in Avengers 1).

edited 10th Dec '15 7:50:28 PM by KnownUnknown

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48132: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:22:31 PM

[up][up][up]Honestly they could just use Surtur instead of the Serpent. Or both.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48133: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:29:28 PM

If it's based on Walt Simonson's run (which included the very awesome issue titled "Ragnarok and Roll"), then yes, it would be Surtr. But I'm also hoping for Hela, because I went Thor and Hulk to invade Hel and then fight against Amora and the Executioner and then the Executioner does a Heel–Face Turn and then oh god "He stood alone at Gjallerbru" oh the tears.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48134: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:32:43 PM

After what they did to Kurse, I'm not optimistic about them retaining Skurge's noble warrior / Anti-Villain traits.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#48135: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:59:38 PM

And besides, as beautiful as that moment is, I think we need at least one movie to establish Skurge's character and his relationships with Amora and the other Asgardians in order for his Heroic Sacrifice to have more impact.

Also: this is all well and good, but I want my man Beta Ray Bill.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48136: Dec 10th 2015 at 11:18:19 PM

Again back to Iron Fist: Is his company of any importance? I mean, Tony clearly has to be rich, otherwise he couldn't afford all his tech. But Iron Fist? Why is he even rich in the first place? Did the writers even think about it or was it a "well, we want him to have to time to do whatever he wants" kind of thing?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48137: Dec 10th 2015 at 11:24:28 PM

The upside is that it does give him a unique perspective in perspective to all of his friends. The downside is that it'd be extremely hard to make the audience sympathetic to that perspective.

On the other other hand, already having a wealthy character doesn't mean they can't do something different with Danny, especially since the approach to wealth with Tony's characterization is very... extreme.

As for why, chalk it up to "bored rich guy who moonlights as a superhero" being a very popular premise.

edited 10th Dec '15 11:32:16 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48138: Dec 11th 2015 at 12:52:56 AM

I still think that they should go for the middle-ground. Make him the one of the group who is well-off enough that he doesn't have to worry about money as long as he doesn't overspend, but not superrich.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48139: Dec 11th 2015 at 6:12:38 AM

Supposedly the main plot will take place on a separate planet altogether. Which doesn't strike me as making sense if the focus of Ragnarok is the destruction of Asgard and its inhabitants.

They referred to it as "The end of everything" so it's probably broader in scope than Asgard.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48140: Dec 12th 2015 at 1:13:16 PM

Right, so I know we're talking about Ragnorok, and Civil War and whether Iron Fist should be asian or not, but I just caught this a few pages back:

Kevin Tran knows Martial Arts?

Man, I knew he was wasted with Sam and Dean.sad

Anyway, Danny having actually been poor at one point before the training, then gaining riches when he returns would be an interesting thing. It'd give him some perspective from all sides really.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48141: Dec 12th 2015 at 1:37:42 PM

Speaking of Iron Fist, which villains do you think we might see? The only one of I really know of Steel Serpent. Looking it up, between Luke and Iron Fist they're pretty much fought the entire Serpent Society, so I'm wondering if we'll get them.

They seem like possible antagonists for the full team series too, though.

edited 12th Dec '15 1:38:44 PM by KnownUnknown

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#48142: Dec 12th 2015 at 1:39:29 PM

Maybe The Hand? I mean, it'd make sense.

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#48143: Dec 12th 2015 at 1:41:22 PM

The Hand will probably be involved in season 2 or 3 of Daredevil, or maybe Defenders.

Iron Fist might finally show us just what Madame Gao has been up to, though.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48144: Dec 12th 2015 at 5:02:56 PM

They could always bring back Sabretooth! tongue

A more realistic choice is probably Constricter. He's perfect MCU TV fare. He's obscure enough that he's probably not being used in the movies anytime soon, and his powers would be very easy to do on a TV budget.

edited 12th Dec '15 5:03:58 PM by comicwriter

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#48145: Dec 12th 2015 at 5:32:39 PM

I think that The Hand will be "The Thanos" for the street-level heroes.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#48146: Dec 12th 2015 at 5:50:37 PM

[up]So they sit around on thrones and don't do anything? tongue[lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#48148: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:07:12 PM

Man, MCU Iron Fist is gonna be the best live-action Mortal Kombat ever!

(Especially if they're adapting the Tournament Arc from the comics)

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#48149: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:12:44 AM

On Iron Fist, why does the group need a rich guy? I mean we've been talking about diversity but class diversity is a real thing, and if they just throw a rich guy into the team (and happen to have him be the most powerful one) it rather drives home a pretty classist notion, and removes the idea of street level real people facing real problems.

Part of what I love about the Netflix stuff is that we've got real people with real jobs trying to make a difference while living real normal lives. They don't need a mythical Batman dropped on them who's just a rich person who superheroes in their free time, we've got that already with Iron Man (and you know, Batman himself in the DCU). The Netflix shows currently have a good message of real working people being capable and great heroes themselves, let's not ruin that by dumping a super rich guy on top of them.

[down] My spellchecker disagrees, but I believe it's a Bourgeoisie invention so I don't trust it. tongue

edited 13th Dec '15 11:16:41 AM by Silasw

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