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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#48101: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:03:29 PM

[up]Alright! That sounds pretty cool. Let's hope that's the run the series takes the most from.

Even in the MNU, "rich" does not always mean "evil" (shocking, I know).
Yeah, but out here in the real world, nine times out of ten...

edited 10th Dec '15 2:03:57 PM by Wackd

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#48102: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:12:12 PM

Even though rich doesn't mean evil, it does make it difficult to empathize with the poor.

Like, it would be pretty awkward to be sitting around a table commiserating over money woes with Luke Cage, Peter Parker, Sam Alexander...and Tony Stark.

  • LUKE: Our rent was late this week, but some of the money from our side projects came in, so that's good.
  • PETER: Glad to hear that. Man, I don't even know how I'm going to pay the cable bill. I need some action fast, there's only so long Jonah's going to buy pictures that are just Spider-Man swinging through town.
  • SAM: My dad's home, so my mom's no longer being financially crushed. That's good, at least. Did you guys see that bulletin board, though?
  • PETER: Those people trying to bulldoze our homes to build a mall? Yeah, I saw that.
  • LUKE: They think they can just drive people out of their homes because they have a lot of money to throw around.
  • SAM: What are we going to do?
  • PETER: We'll do something. I don't know what, but they can't just push people around like this.
  • TONY: I hear you guys, it's rough out there. I had to sell my summer condo last year. Oh, crap, gotta run, there's a car I want to buy. Can you believe this thing's going for only $90k? That's a steal! Anyways, see you guys next meeting. I'm thinking something upscale. There's a little place a few blocks away where you can get a fantastic champagne for only $29.99. It's ritzy, though, so you'll have to dress up. Suit and tie, that sort of thing.

When you're the rich guy in a group of povertous characters, there's an elephant in the room: the fact that countless problems could be solved if you just shared some of the wealth. It's hard to be a billionare in the slums without being obnoxious.

edited 10th Dec '15 2:16:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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#48103: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:22:29 PM

I dunno. Danny is a super-billionaire but he didn't come into that fortune until after spending time as an orphan in Tibet, right? So even if he's wealthy now he at least has been poor and knows what it's like, so I can't imagine he'd be as oblivious as the Tony Stark in your example.

Admittedly my Iron Fistology is not very sharp so for all I know he was living the life of Riley even in Tibet, but someone better versed in the character could correct me.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48104: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:26:10 PM

He grew up in K'un L'un and they provided for him. So he wasn't exactly rich and he trained everyday, but he wasn't poor either. And then when he went back to New York, he became the head of Rand International.

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#48105: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:35:04 PM

Yeah, at around the age Danny was orphaned he wouldn't have cared that much if he was rich and spent s good portion of his life raised by.... Eh, who knows what the ancient immortal Chinese martial artists were living like but it most certainly wasn't extravagant.

In things I've read where Danny showed up (so... Some trades of New Avengers) he is not even close in personality to, say, Tony or Bruce. I bet he came back to New York having no idea what all that money was even for.

And after reading that round table it just reminded me of what I've read or watched with Tony in it and his response tends to be "oh? Okay *buys everything* congrats guys, you now own all this stuff!"

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#48106: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:43:07 PM

Movie Tony is generally fairly generous with his money as well. He did go and turn Harley's workshop into a Wonka-esque wonderland of tech after Iron Man 3, and the whole Iron Man concept is about making expensive suits with the intent of keeping the peace, after all.

He just wants everyone to know it's him doing it.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48107: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:00:28 PM

I picture that scene in The Count Of Monte Cristo where Edmond Dantes casually sleeps on the floor.........in the lavish bedroom of his own personal mansion. It'd be pretty interesting see Rand have that kind of funny relationship with his own luxuries.

edited 10th Dec '15 3:11:20 PM by nervmeister

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#48108: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:01:40 PM

He's super-generous with his money, I was just making a point about the writing. Writers who write poor characters like to write poor problems into them, and those problems are hard to sell when your hero's best buddy owns a Fortune 500 company.

It can make for some hilarity like that time Hawkeye was struggling to set up his VCR and Tony was offering to just buy him a brand new entertainment system, but it can also be a drama killer.

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#48109: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:31:15 PM

The Iron Man armors alone probably cost so much to maintain that I doubt Tony has any real concept of money anymore. Once you can afford to maintain a personal army of high tech battle suits you're well above Fiction 500 levels.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48110: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:32:15 PM

Cate Blanchett is in talks for Thor 3. She's reportedly in talks for Valkyrie or Enchantress.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48111: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:41:35 PM

I especially like the idea of Brunnhilde. She'd make a good Enchantress too though she would probably have to go through some serious conceptual changes to avoid bad romance or Femme Fatale cliches.

edited 10th Dec '15 4:42:42 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48112: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:42:11 PM

Oh, man, Cate Blanchett as Hela, though? That would be awesome.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48113: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:43:16 PM

I just hope this Thor 3 thing will spend most of the time on Asguard this time. If they try to include part on Earth so they can have Jane Foster &Co like they did in the Dark World, I am not sure that'll work. I mean, I did like some parts of Thor 2, but.... seriously, "the Dark World" was in the friggin' title, and they probably didn't spend more than a quarter of the movie on it!

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48114: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:52:05 PM

I just hope Thor: Ragnarok is a good movie.

As opposed to just a "meh, it's okay" one.

edited 10th Dec '15 4:52:21 PM by higherbrainpattern

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48115: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:56:31 PM

[up][up]Who needs Jane and co. when you have Hulk? cool

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48116: Dec 10th 2015 at 4:57:37 PM

I do. cool

edited 10th Dec '15 4:57:48 PM by higherbrainpattern

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48117: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:00:12 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Supposedly the main plot will take place on a separate planet altogether. Which doesn't strike me as making sense if the focus of Ragnarok is the destruction of Asgard and its inhabitants.

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#48118: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:01:16 PM

I hope that Ragnarok does not spend even five seconds on Earth.

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#48119: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:11:00 PM

Maybe Thor 3 takes place at the same time as Cap 3?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48120: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:26:14 PM

Supposedly Civil War would have some nods to Ragnarok in it. Maybe some exposition scientist talks about weird dimensional energies near Planet X in a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment, I don't know.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48121: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:45:38 PM

"Who needs Jane and co. when you have Hulk?"

Very good point^^'

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#48122: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:52:06 PM

If the Time Stone shows up in Thor: Ragnorok, I could see a situation where Asgard is destroyed in the first five minutes of the movie and then, perhaps after a brief stop on Earth, the bulk of the movie is set on the world the Hulk ended up on. The 3rd act would then be using the time stone to undo the destruction of Asgard, ultimately bringing it to Earth in order to save it from total destruction.

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#48124: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:55:00 PM

[up][up]Thor: Ragnarok being a stealth Planet Hulk could be pretty cool, if done right.

edited 10th Dec '15 5:58:10 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48125: Dec 10th 2015 at 5:56:58 PM

Talk inevitably turned to the chances of romance between her character and Captain America, and Van Camp seemed to confirm that they will be embarking on a relationship despite the fact that some fans aren't keen on the idea of Steve romancing anyone other than Peggy Carter (move on!). "That’s where it all gets really tricky, because there are die-hard fans that want to see him with different people. There’s all the different camps, so hopefully people are happy with it."

Hoo boy, I can see the next wave of Sharon bashing coming on. Probably some bashing from the Black Widow fans too although if they make her job too hard it's perfectly understandable.

edited 10th Dec '15 6:00:05 PM by AlleyOop


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