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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#48026: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:01:31 PM

It seems like it's stretching it.

The Kung Fu God came down to Asia and out of the billions of people that live in Asia it found a white American tourist to give its powers to.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:05:21 PM by MadSkillz

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#48027: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:02:56 PM

[up][up]Because then why even call him Iron Fist?

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#48028: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:04:47 PM

The goal is to minimize the Mighty Whitey elements. Having him be some rich asshole who just went to China on a whim, mastered their culture in a year or two, and came back as the ultimate kung fu guy hits just about every possible point on the checklist.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:05:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#48029: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:09:33 PM

[up][up][up]I dunno, just say he was desperate and he landed basically right next to him.

Or just make him the kung-fu god who needs to prove himself worthy of his powers wait goddamn that's Thor.

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#48030: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:09:52 PM

Yeah, exactly, that's why I keep citing how it went in the comics.

Normally I don't mind what an adaptation changes, I love it when they change things but in this case the comic origin is, surprisingly, not that awful and surprisingly decent and respectable enough to make Danny less of a mighty whitey.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#48031: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:22:05 PM

[up][up] Again, stretching it because it makes Marvel look like they're going out of there way to make Danny Rand a white guy because the Kung Fu God landed next Danny, the rich white American tourist, ( out of the billions of people in Asia)even though he actually is white in the comics.

It's definitely not a good way to frame things.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:22:27 PM by MadSkillz

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#48032: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:29:09 PM

I'd like someone to call him out for not being Asian which he counters that, despite having Caucasian ancestry, he was born in Asia, therefore he's Asian.

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#48033: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:17:05 PM

That's likely not a move that would be receive well.

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#48036: Dec 9th 2015 at 7:09:49 PM

From now on, whenever any fictional story/adaptation needs to decide what race a character should be, the writers should draw up a chart with all the various possibilities assigned numbers based on real-world population percentages, factoring in the story's setting and characters' backgrounds, and then they should roll a however-many-sided die and decide the characters race based on that... after they've already written a script in which the characters' races don't matter (unless a character's race is directly relevant in some way or it wouldn't make sense for them to be a certain race given the setting/time period). And then they should do the same thing for gender/gender identity.

edited 9th Dec '15 7:11:21 PM by spashthebandragon

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#48037: Dec 9th 2015 at 7:14:49 PM

I'd say instead of rolling on the chart they compare the current composition of the MCU to the chart and try for ballence, of sexual orientation should be on it, he'll I'd be up for social class as well.

edited 9th Dec '15 7:15:45 PM by Silasw

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#48038: Dec 9th 2015 at 7:23:33 PM

I think it should be spinning some wheels/pie charts that accurately represent the percentages of races, gender identity, and sexual orientation of people living in that time and place.

edited 9th Dec '15 7:25:13 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#48039: Dec 9th 2015 at 7:27:44 PM

Why do I really like this idea

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#48041: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:50:36 PM

It occurs to me that a lot of Unfortunate Implications could be sidestepped by simply making K'un L'un an international city. Even if it's located in Asia, its population could be made up of people from all over the world and a wide variety of ethnic groups who came there seeking power, enlightenment, or sanctuary.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48042: Dec 9th 2015 at 9:52:49 PM

That...makes it even worse, because the Kunlun Mountains are literally a place from Chinese mythology (and also a real place).

edited 9th Dec '15 9:53:28 PM by alliterator

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#48043: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:07:11 AM

From now on, whenever any fictional story/adaptation needs to decide what race a character should be, the writers should draw up a chart with all the various possibilities assigned numbers based on real-world population percentages, factoring in the story's setting and characters' backgrounds, and then they should roll a however-many-sided die and decide the characters race based on that... after they've already written a script in which the characters' races don't matter (unless a character's race is directly relevant in some way or it wouldn't make sense for them to be a certain race given the setting/time period). And then they should do the same thing for gender/gender identity.

Not sure if sincere or mocking proponents of social equality.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:07:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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#48044: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:30:26 AM

Well none of that sounded even remotely serious, so really, just a joke.

I mean, all y'all were basically just tossing around every possible race there for about half a page.

edited 10th Dec '15 8:32:12 AM by edvedd

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48045: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:38:28 AM

Well, the important thing is that he shouldn't be white. Because, you know, Mighty Whitey and all the associated baggage of the "white savior."

Also, I actually did do a pie chart yesterday of all the races of main and secondary characters (basically, anyone who had more than five or six lines in the movies) and it was, like, 81% white, 10% black, 6% Asian, and 3% Hispanic/Latino. So, uh, yeah.

edited 10th Dec '15 8:40:12 AM by alliterator

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#48046: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:45:41 AM

You know, despite all this talk of how great it would be Iron Fist weren't white, (and seriously, it would be great if he weren't white,) I still think Marvel's just going to say 'Frick it' and make him white anyway. They've made a habit of having their characters look as close to the source material as possible, with the only exceptions being Nick Fury (who is still based off of his Ultimates counterpart,) and Bruce Banner. (Who was recast after Ed Norton, who did look like his comics counterpart, didn't return.) I don't think they're going to stop now just to have wider representation, regardless of the cultural baggage that having Iron Fist be white might bring. Because really, if Marvel truly cared about greater representation, we'd only have a few straight while male heroes in the MCU as opposed to 90% of them being straight white males.

edited 10th Dec '15 9:03:50 AM by kkhohoho

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48047: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:56:07 AM

See, in the movies, that's true, but I think there is far more leeway in the television shows.

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#48048: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:59:43 AM

@Kkhohoho, yeah, that's sort of what I suspect might happen, which is why I've opted for recommending how the plot should be to avoid as many unfortunate implications as possible and just chant the actor who I think seems to be born to be Danny Rand

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48049: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:59:58 AM

The important thing is that he shouldn't be white because white people are awful and if they are successful at anything that is the very definition of racism.

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#48050: Dec 10th 2015 at 9:02:07 AM

*rubs temples*And then there's this guy.....

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