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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#47976: Dec 8th 2015 at 10:07:04 PM

Let me just say that anyone who disliked the Mandarin twist has no concept of subtlety and/or would rather have a walking racist cartoon as a villain And That's Terrible.

edited 8th Dec '15 10:07:13 PM by MadSkillz

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47977: Dec 8th 2015 at 10:44:02 PM

Stop being terrible, those people.

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#47978: Dec 8th 2015 at 11:32:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]I can agree with that. Personally, I loved the Mandarin twist, but it is true the actual villain of the piece is weak. It didn't ruin the film for me because I liked everything else, but I can see the argument.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47979: Dec 8th 2015 at 11:46:17 PM

My poor fingernails...

Agent of Shield is really bringing it. I would be very unhappy about it going into hiatus if not for Peggy coming back. (But really, why can't Obama make his speeches on another weekday? Why is he always messing up the schedule for Agent Carter).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47980: Dec 9th 2015 at 1:30:37 AM

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I'm with you on that. I thought the twist was great, but Killian wasn't strong enough to back it up. And I agree that a situation similar to the comics where Maya was the true mastermind would've also made the film stronger as well.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#47981: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:20:58 AM

... No. I won't repeat what I already said about the Mandarin over again. Khfan429 pretty much summed up my opinion on the topic anyway. That, and I still believe the Mandarin can be done without being a racist caricature. But whatever, moving on.

Anyway back on the topic of Spider-Man, I personally wonder if they will show his origin in Civil War or have it happen offscreen...

edited 9th Dec '15 4:23:21 AM by Theokal3

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#47982: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:35:50 AM

I hope the little twist on Spidey's costume is that they finally bring the web glidey-wing things under his arms to the big screen.

Also, on the whole child endangerment thing, would people be able to call on that? Spidey's has always been that one guy that doesn't do revealing their identity thing. He's pretty much one of the few Marvels that sustains any sort of double life these days.

Also, I loved the Mandarin twist and Iron Man 3 is still among my top favourite MCU movies.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47983: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:48:16 AM

I really hope that they play with the concept that everyone knows him as "Spider-man" and therefore naturally assumes that he is at least in his early 20th.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#47984: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:53:31 AM

@Swan, Agreed, as it should. And who would even be able to tell under the mask? And it'll make the reveal more shocking to the other characters, like in Ultimate Spider-man when Black Cat found out she kissed some kid (kid relative to her).

The vomiting? Gross. But the moment? Priceless.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47985: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:31:40 AM

Anyway back on the topic of Spider-Man, I personally wonder if they will show his origin in Civil War or have it happen offscreen...

To steal a line from a meme, if they try to show us Spider-Man's origin again in Civil War I will kill Uncle Ben myself. There is no need.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#47986: Dec 9th 2015 at 6:06:32 AM

I'm pretty sure it's been stated that they will not show Peter's origin again. Everybody's knows it, there's no need.

It will actually be refreshing to watch a Spider-Man movie in 2017 without the origin.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#47987: Dec 9th 2015 at 7:32:45 AM

The armpit webbing is going to happen, mark my words.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#47988: Dec 9th 2015 at 8:10:07 AM

Why are the web-gliding thing so popular exactly?

"Also, I loved the Mandarin twist and Iron Man 3 is still among my top favourite MCU movies."

Eh, if you like being the comic book fan equivalent of cock-blocked, that's your thing. Not gonna judge. As far as I am concerned, Iron Man 3 was my first real disappointment in the MCU. Good thing it didn't go downhill from there.

edited 9th Dec '15 8:11:10 AM by Theokal3

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#47990: Dec 9th 2015 at 8:47:04 AM

She looks kinda disappointed.

[down] [lol]

edited 9th Dec '15 11:37:07 AM by yellowturtle

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47991: Dec 9th 2015 at 11:27:49 AM

Hawkward...

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#47992: Dec 9th 2015 at 11:37:54 AM

Let me just say that anyone who disliked the Mandarin twist has no concept of subtlety and/or would rather have a walking racist cartoon as a villain And That's Terrible.

I don't dislike the idea of the twist (it's actuallly neat), but I found the execution and Killian himself pretty underwhelming.

besides that, it was very easy to see coming, because killian gets way more focus and screentime than the "real" mandarin.

and I basically agree with khfan on why everything after The Reveal was underwhelming.

edited 9th Dec '15 11:40:15 AM by wehrmacht

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#47993: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:17:40 PM

Since the subject of the Mandarin twist has come up, I thought I'd ask some people here on how they'd feel about an Asian or half-Asian Iron Fist. I'd like an IF because the MCU could use more non-white leads. At the same time I know it reeks of stereotypes as argued here http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/i-dont-want-an-asian-american-iron-fist

Thoughts?

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#47994: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:32:12 PM

I don't want an Asian Iron Fist because if we were going to do that, I'd rather they just adapt Shang-Chi. We have a perfectly good Asian character who would be going unused for the sake of Race Lifting a white character. I'm not usually opposed to Race Lifts but that just rubs me the wrong way. It feels like saying that minority actors are fine but only so long as they're still playing white people.

edited 9th Dec '15 12:33:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47995: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:41:35 PM

I think the best solution would be to make him neither white nor Asian. This way you can sidestep the stereotype as well as the "white guy is the supreme fighter" trope.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#47996: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:47:36 PM

Wasn't he full-blood american in the comic anyway?

As for the Mandarin twist, really, it's easy to see. Try to imagine the movie without the twist, with Killian established as the main villain from start to finish and no Trevor Slattery thing. Would you still consider it a great movie?

edited 9th Dec '15 12:50:15 PM by Theokal3

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#47997: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:51:53 PM

@Tobias Drake what if we had both and Asian Iron Fist AND Shang Chi? Think of the possibilities.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#47998: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:52:20 PM

So long as Shang-Chi's not being snubbed, I'd be cool with it.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#47999: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:53:45 PM

Sang-Shi... that was the town where he learnt his martial arts from, right?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#48000: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:58:44 PM

Shang-Chi is the Master of Kung Fu, the greatest martial artist in the Marvel Universe. Both he and Iron Fist were introduced to capitalize on the kung fu craze of the 1970's.

Here he is training Spider-Man.

edited 9th Dec '15 1:03:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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