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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47827: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:35:56 AM

I mean.

Garrett Morris and Matthew Moy aren't to blame for Two Broke Girls badness.

I dunno how comfortable I feel blaming Kat Dennings, either.

I don't think she signed up for it eager to promote racial stereotypes any more than her costars did.

I'd blame Michael Patrick King. He's the guy in charge, after all.

And also CBS for giving it the greenlight.

edited 7th Dec '15 10:37:32 AM by Wackd

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#47828: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:37:23 AM

If I were to rewrite some of this, I'd take the time to also change their relationship to be less strangled by the red string. Give it more buildup or (and this is what I'd prefer) don't make it romantic at all. I think Kenneth Branagh was trying to go for a relationship based off of mutual respect according to his commentary, right?

The nice thing about fusing her with Selvig is that it takes care of at least part of this, via giving Jane the scene of Selvig bonding with Thor over drinks, Thor drinking him under the table, and the respectful "We drank, we fought, he made his ancestors proud!" proclamation that it resulted from.

The "Thor and Selvig bond over drinks" scene would instead be Thor and Jane bonding over drinks and getting to know each other. Imagine, instead of piling Selvig into the trailer and then heading out to discuss plot, it's Jane waking up with a morning-after hangover, asking Thor what happened, Thor telling her, "We drank, we fought, you made your ancestors proud," and then they move on to discussing plot.

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#47829: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:39:16 AM

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Whitney Cummings made it, a lot of people hate her brand of comedy. Blame her. I don't blame the actors, I blame the characters that were created to be this terrible.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#47830: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:42:07 AM

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Ooh, I like that.

That being said, thinking about it, it probably wouldn't work as well to have Jane!Selvig as the person controlled by Loki in AOU. Both because of the added It's Personal aspect for Thor but also because it kind of throws off the character interactions in Dark World.

So I'm not sure then about who if either of them would be in Avengers. But it would seem like a good idea to either eliminate or decrease Selvig's role and give Jane (some of) those scenes.

edited 7th Dec '15 10:44:10 AM by Hodor2

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47831: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:44:41 AM

Eh, well all I see there is making it harder for Thor to want to work with Loki to stop Malekith.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47832: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:45:25 AM

Whitney Cummings made it, a lot of people hate her brand of comedy. Blame her. I don't blame the actors, I blame the characters that were created to be this terrible.
She left after the pilot! It is literally the only episode with a writing credit for her! Michael King's the dude who doubled down and told the press to fuck off because he's gay and therefore he can do whatever the fuck he wants!

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#47833: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:47:31 AM

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I did not know that, no need for the exclamation points.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47834: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:47:33 AM

Some talk about the new characters in Civil War. It's said in contrast to Black Panther, Spider-Man and Ant-Man enter the story later and have more of a comic relief slant because they have less investment in the actual conflict.

edited 7th Dec '15 10:48:09 AM by comicwriter

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#47835: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:48:35 AM

I'd expect Ant-Man to have no major part in it other than as a Deus Ex Machina for one scene with Cap and Bucky (like in the end credits for Ant-Man).

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#47837: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:50:02 AM

I'm gathering that your feelings towards this Michael Patrick King fellow are similar to my feelings towards Uwe Boll.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47838: Dec 7th 2015 at 10:53:58 AM

The "Selvig warns off Thor" scene is another one I particularly hate because how dare he! Jane is a grown up woman and Selvig isn't even her father.

Yes, the plot in The Avengers would have need some adjustments if Loki had kidnapped Jane instead of Selvig, but on the plus side, it would have made the confrontation spicier, there wouldn't have been the need for an awkward "why didn't you call me when you were on earth" conversation and even the slap (I usually hate it when they show woman slapping men with a few exceptions) would feel less abusive, because Jane would have had ample reason to do so if Loki had mind controlled her at one point.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47839: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:01:39 AM

[up][up][up][up] Ant-Man apparently fights Black Widow at one point.

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#47840: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:10:29 AM

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SIGN ME THE FUCK UP

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#47841: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:13:03 AM

The nice thing about fusing her with Selvig is that it takes care of at least part of this, via giving Jane the scene of Selvig bonding with Thor over drinks, Thor drinking him under the table, and the respectful "We drank, we fought, he made his ancestors proud!" proclamation that it resulted from.

This makes me imagine a drunken Jane Foster punching Thor in the face and it is amazing. I shall cherish it always.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#47842: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:16:28 AM

[up][up][up] Boo.

Widow needs to crush him underneath her foot, then.

edited 7th Dec '15 11:16:36 AM by higherbrainpattern

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#47843: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:18:05 AM

RE Civil War, don't know if anything like this will happen but since knowing that Ant-Man was in the film, I imagine a scene where Tony has a sort of Just Between You and Me moment where he thinks he's captured Steve or one of his allies, and then they reveal that Scott is there in the room too.

Also/additionally, was thinking as a take off on the infamous scene of Eric O'Grady being stored in Black Widow's cleavage, maybe have him hide in Sam's pants or something like that.

[up] No offense meant but that reminds me of this line in Nick Spencer's Ant Man how Scott snarks about villains always declaring/threatening that they will crush him like a bug even though his powers prevent that from happening.

edited 7th Dec '15 11:19:54 AM by Hodor2

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#47844: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:27:27 AM

Black Widow wins that one, hands down. Spider > Ant. Spider-man would fare just as well, though the real question is: Black Widow vs Spider-man?

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#47845: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:28:49 AM

Technically a rhino > spider.

But that never really seems to matter.

Although I am reminded of the time that Black Widow went off to beat up Spider-Man to prove that she was the better spider themed hero.

He was nonplussed.

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#47846: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:30:20 AM

One time, she attacked him just to figure out how he does the things he does (tech, obviously). In a world with mutants, which everyone else already assumes Peter is anyway.

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#47847: Dec 7th 2015 at 11:33:15 AM

No offense meant but that reminds me of this line in Nick Spencer's Ant Man how Scott snarks about villains always declaring/threatening that they will crush him like a bug even though his powers prevent that from happening.

Spider-Man gets that too. I recall him griping once about how every supervillain seems to think they're so clever for coming up with, "Squash the bug!"

[up] Until recently, it was really only a world with mutants in the X-titles or crossovers with the X-titles. The X-Men kind of had their own corner of the universe - one that frequently conflicted with the way other titles portrayed the universe.

edited 7th Dec '15 11:35:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47848: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:25:19 PM

It'd be funny if they threw in a joke about Wanda killing Scott.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#47850: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:32:22 PM

But I thought Iron Fist was canceled.

Good to hear news though. Wonder what the showrunner's idea was.

I will say that besides the supernatural power element, the premise does sound quite a bit like Arrow (although I guess Rich Idiot With No Day Job characters tend to fit into a similar mold).


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