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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47701: Dec 6th 2015 at 10:03:39 PM

The MCU has proven itself to be one of the best film franchises of all time in every other regard, it can do so much better than textbook action/fantasy romance.

Yeah, but when has the MCU ever not gone textbook with their romances? There's little that makes Thor/Jane exceptional in that regard. Pretty much all of the MCU romances are like that. Tony/Pepper isn't exactly the most nuanced relationship either. Betty and Bruce barely get any development at all, they just kind of are.

And that's just the romances that are going on at the time. Nowadays we've also got Scott/Hope too (Bruce/Natasha is disliked, but not for that reason)

I dunno. The sheer hate for something that ultimately isn't any worse or even unexpected in light of what the franchise had already done is strange.

I still think an issue could be people lumping the relationship into general complaints about the Thor-on-Earth segment, and now finding it hard to let go of the initial distaste even though those issues no longer apply as much. It would also explain why Thor/Sif is still such a Fan-Preferred Couple despite the two not having much chemistry and Thor 2 practically sinking it: because it's really part of people wanting more Asgard.

edited 6th Dec '15 10:18:30 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47702: Dec 6th 2015 at 10:05:55 PM

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Well at that point she wouldn't really be an ordinary human anymore. If they go that route I hope something to make her standalone, and her own name instead of the real Thor suddenly giving up his own personal name. That part always struck me as extra dumb.

edited 6th Dec '15 10:07:41 PM by AlleyOop

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47703: Dec 6th 2015 at 10:47:32 PM

Its sort of a throwbackbackbackback. Donald Blake wasn't originally designed to be The Thor. He took on Thor's name because he possessed the power of Thor.

And if you don't have Thor active as Thor due to plot and you don't call the hammer wielder Thor then you have no Thors to head a Thor book.

And hey, tradition is tradition is tradition. Eric Masterson got to be Thor.

Circumstances are different but Thora sounds super dumb and the hammer does say whoever wields it posses the power of Thor.

Thora sounds really, really stupid.

And Thordis isn't much better.

edited 6th Dec '15 10:48:34 PM by Bocaj

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#47704: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:01:01 PM

I don't mind Jane!Thor, but given her and Ross as Red Hulk, it appears that in the passing of time that the probability of What If comics becoming canon approaches 1, meaning one day Captain America will be President, Aunt May will become Spider-Aunt, Doctor Doom will become the Thing, and all this will eventually be canon.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#47705: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:03:45 PM

A decent amount of those have already happened. A lot of the Spider-man ones.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#47706: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:08:37 PM

"What If Spider-Man's clone had lived", "What If Spider-Man had never married Mary Jane"... holy cow, you're right.

One day, this will be canon.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47707: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:32:50 PM

Bruce/Betty and Thor/Jane doesn't work because one of the participants of the romance is badly written (one guess which one). Natasha/Bruce didn't work because the romance was badly written and hit every cliché in the book. Tony/Pepper works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't...again, because the romance is uneven written. Steve/Peggy is the only romance in the MCU (at least in the movies) which does consists of two well-written characters whose attraction to each other is well-written and makes sense. But naturally that is the one relationship which never got an happy end.

I am holding off my judgement concerning Scott/Hope. I actually don't mind that their romance happened off-screen, now it depends if they will be able to sell them being together in the next movie.

Peter/Gamora never really was a romance in the first place. Peter is just flirting with everything vaguely female. And yes, they are better off as friends for that very reason.

edited 6th Dec '15 11:34:00 PM by Swanpride

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47708: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:47:09 PM

BTW, I don't think that we will see the Defenders in Infinity War, nor do I think that we should. If we throw everyone in those movies, how is Marvel supposed to top itself after that? It would be nice if the Got G turn up, because it makes sense to see them. They have a history with Thanos after all.

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#47709: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:49:05 PM

What if the Guardians show up in Part One and the Defenders show up in Part Two, or vice-versa?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47710: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:53:42 PM

The Netflix serieses are kind of about what happens under the Avengers' nose

While they're fighting Thanos, someone needs to be punching gentrification in the face

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#47711: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:56:04 PM

Than there should be a Defenders movie in-between Infinity Wars.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#47712: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:56:25 PM

What's so dumb about "Thora"?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47713: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:56:53 PM

[up][up][up][up]Mmm...I can only see that work if the first half is (like I suspected all around) about uniting the heroes again after the Civil War tore them apart. They could add a giant meeting in which every single hero known to the public is present. But otherwise I think those are too many characters to juggle.

edited 6th Dec '15 11:57:07 PM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47714: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:57:16 PM

[up][up]It sounds stupid. Why not simply call them Thor?

No offense to Thora Birch.

edited 6th Dec '15 11:57:34 PM by alliterator

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#47715: Dec 6th 2015 at 11:58:04 PM

Put Spider-Man in the Defenders.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#47717: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:01:46 AM

Calling them by Thor's personal name, which is an obviously male one, sounds even dumber to me. But then, I guess I mainly find it dumb that you can somehow assume a person's name if you take all their stuff.

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#47718: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:22:25 AM

Personally, I think that Legacy Character's should only be characters created for the purpose, like Terry Mc Ginnis or Miles Morales, and not pre-existing characters. Thor should only be the Odinson until he dies, at which point Thor should die as well.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47719: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:36:43 AM

[up][up] Yeah, that bugs me a little too. She's not Thor, she's Jane with the power of Thor - Thor isn't a title, he's a person. It's sort of like Shazam and Captain Marvel, except Thor doesn't have to worry about copyright issues forcing the two to be one in this case.

Beta Ray Bill wasn't Thor when he wielded Mjolnir, nor is Throg when he wielded a piece of it. I get why the title of the series is still Thor, but why not continue to call her Jane Foster while "suited up?"

edited 7th Dec '15 12:42:03 AM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47720: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:44:09 AM

Because she doesn't want people to know its her.

Hence the mask.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47721: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:45:37 AM

Calling a Female Thor is like Calling a Female George instead of Georgette. It just sounds odd.

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#47722: Dec 7th 2015 at 12:46:13 AM

Or like calling a dude Ashley.

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#47724: Dec 7th 2015 at 1:04:30 AM

Was the nameless paramedic Thor when he held the hammer?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47725: Dec 7th 2015 at 1:04:46 AM

That is indeed the point.

It was originally only a dude's name but now its unisex, although mainly used as a female name.

[up] The shortest Thor. Eric Masterson was also Thor once.

edited 7th Dec '15 1:05:27 AM by Bocaj

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