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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47626: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:27:37 PM

Different skill sets and strengths.

Vs-ing isn't a neat stack up.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47627: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:30:08 PM

In a test of strength, Spider-Man beats Captain America. But in an actual fight, Captain America beats Spider-Man, because Captain America has a lot more experience (in the Marvel universe, he started much earlier than 1944 and even spent ten years in an alternate dimension fighting against Arnim Zola).

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47628: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:34:47 PM

And yet in an actual fight, Kingpin apparently ties Cap but gets shit-stomped by Spidey.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47629: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:36:46 PM

Captain America is a lot more agile than Kingpin.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47630: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:36:52 PM

The thing about superhero fights is that it's best not to dwell on it. Raw stats are virtually meaningless because far weaker opponents beat stronger opponents all the time. On any given day Spider-Man can go from beating up Heralds of Galactus to getting smacked around by Daredevil and the Punisher. Batman has stood against Superman and a literal god of evil yet still routinely has trouble with sword-wielding martial artists and non-powered lunatics in costumes. Wolverine can survive a nuke but still gets beaten so badly by Spider-Man that Peter honest to god thinks he's gonna kill him.

If you tried to rationalize everything that happens in superhero fights based on power levels, you'd drive yourself insane. Spider-Man can beat Captain America. Captain America can beat Spider-Man. It depends on who is writing and whose name is in the title.

edited 5th Dec '15 5:37:32 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47631: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:39:12 PM

A spider-man robot once soloed the Avengers. And then Spider-Man beat the Spider-Man robot.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#47632: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:41:09 PM

[up][up]And THIS is why I can't get into comics (no matter how much I want to).

edited 5th Dec '15 6:05:46 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47633: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:47:02 PM

The thing I'm talking about happened in Avengers #11. That was forever ago.

We have much sillier things happening these days.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47634: Dec 5th 2015 at 5:50:26 PM

The reason why I can't get into comics is that it's freaking expensive. It's just so damn cost inefficient as a hobby.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#47635: Dec 5th 2015 at 6:10:40 PM

Yeah, but the comics have the ongoing adventures of the Unbeatable Squirrelgirl, the investigative prowess of Howard the Duck, holy inquisitive systematically hunting and burning the sorcerer supremes (and sorcerers of lesser proficiency) of all dimensions, Shocket Raccoon and Linda the Duck, Supaidahman and the list goes on.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#47636: Dec 5th 2015 at 6:29:51 PM

Marvel comics nowadays are sillier than they were in the Silver Age.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#47638: Dec 5th 2015 at 6:44:24 PM

Well, maybe is not the best series to have as a source, but it does bring a good point that I dind't see you mention, like Cap being able of stealing, or best-case scenario, just damage Spidey web shooters. So I would give the win to Cap.

Besides, I can't be the only one who thinks it would be awesome to see Cap using the web shooters in a movie.

edited 5th Dec '15 6:47:02 PM by eligram

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47639: Dec 5th 2015 at 6:51:48 PM

I'm pretty sure that Spidey stealing Cap's shield would be easier than Cap stealing Spidey's web shooter.

By the way, loved Coulson (at least, I think it is him) being almost clingy/jealous/over-protective about Cap. [lol]

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Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#47640: Dec 5th 2015 at 6:57:29 PM

Spider-man should win a fight, but Cap has the power of plot on his side. I want to see Spider-man with Cap's shield, more than Cap with web shooters.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#47641: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:11:31 PM

But isn't established in the comics (and I could be wrong) that not many people are able to trow the shield properly? It would be useless in Spidey hands.

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#47642: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:16:11 PM

He could use it in close range or maybe stick some webbing to the strap and use it like a flail.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47643: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:17:03 PM

Spidey can't throw the Shield himelf...but he can take it away, stripping Cap of his only means of semi-long ranged attack.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47646: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:43:19 PM

[up][up]I find it hard to believe that the same character who dances through automatic gunfire on a regular basis gets tagged like that without some serious lowballing from the writer.

edited 5th Dec '15 7:44:34 PM by nervmeister

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47647: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:51:34 PM

[up][up][up] Wow.

I find it seriously hard to believe that someone who can dodge a bullet at point blank range can't sense or dodge a punch like that. I know Cap's fast and strong, but I'm pretty sure even in MCU he isn't THAT strong.

edited 5th Dec '15 7:52:21 PM by dRoy

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Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#47648: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:52:27 PM

there is no greater power than the power of plot

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47649: Dec 5th 2015 at 7:54:21 PM

Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying that without any narrative contrivance, there's no way that Cap can win.

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Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible

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