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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47551: Dec 4th 2015 at 6:29:25 PM

Ah.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47552: Dec 4th 2015 at 6:47:46 PM

I believe the Lizard played a big role in the '90s Spider-Man cartoon and is considered one of Spider-Man's "big" villains and acts as a kind of Shadow Archetype - while Spider-Man got powers from an accident, Curt Conners tried to regrow his arm intentionally and ended up bringing out his Superpowered Evil Side.

There are certainly smaller villains that I think can play a role in the MCU Spider-Man films, like Chameleon, Shocker, Black Cat, the Jackal.

And then there are the weirder villains that I have no idea if even the MCU can make happen: Paste-Pot Pete and Morbius.

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#47553: Dec 4th 2015 at 6:49:29 PM

Spider-Man has so many shadow archetypes

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47554: Dec 4th 2015 at 6:59:27 PM

I would like to see Chameleon as a non-superpowered villain whose disguise involves just change of his outfit, accent, and mannerisms.

From what I know, he initially had no power anyways.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#47555: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:06:24 PM

Honestly Lizard is more iconic than Chameleon as a Spider-Man villain for many reasons. The aforementioned Shadow Archetype aside, his alter-ego is someone close to Peter, making him a personal opponent on the same level than Green Goblin, and the fact he technically isn't fully evil (Dr Connor isn't in control) creates an additional conflict on how to take him down without killing him. He is frankly a very interesting character when properly used. However his existance is limited to how many times Connor's reptilian side takes over, so he usually appears a lot less than most villains since, well, there are only so many ways you can have him transform and be cured again.

[up]I am not sure, but I do think Chameleon originally had no powers and relied only on masks and disguises.

edited 4th Dec '15 7:07:20 PM by Theokal3

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#47556: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:10:07 PM

I am sure and he did.

I've read a reproduction of a reproduction of the first amazing spider-man comic.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47557: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:23:23 PM

Yeah his power is basically having a face that looks like a volleyball.

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#47558: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:50:13 PM

I still remember and love the old fish brown Mysterio from the cartoons, I want him to be put on the big screen.

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#47559: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:51:41 PM

Mysterio would make a GREAT movie villain! He's already cinematic

I guess the question is whether he has enough scope or whatever to carry a movie

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Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47560: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:54:03 PM

[up]

If they pull him off right, they totally could. Magneto's character is interesting enough to carry a movie.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47561: Dec 4th 2015 at 8:49:39 PM

I can just see it now. Post-Civil War Peter, with his endless responsibility issues, still wants to don the suit and be Spidey, but he feels registering is too big a risk or - like in the comics - he did register but then reneged, and is now a fugitive.

People recognize him as doing good, Daily Bugle aside, so the authorities are dragging their feet cracking down on him (think the investigation into Batman in The Dark Knight), but then who comes along but Mysterio and/or Chameleon, pretending to be Spidey so he can take the fall for their crimes and/or be finally out of the criminals of New York's hair for good.

In true Spidey fashion, he beats the villains but it's too late - his life is still much worse now than it was.

I wonder how they're going to do Spidey's hero career, now that I think about it - he's appearing in Civil War, but is he going to be a new hero who just started out, or a Hero of Another Story who's been at it for a few years but just never had attention drawn to him.

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#47562: Dec 4th 2015 at 8:53:50 PM

Clearly the Spider-man movie will be an adaptation of One More Day.

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#47563: Dec 4th 2015 at 8:54:03 PM

He's been Spidey for at least one year.

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#47564: Dec 4th 2015 at 9:08:22 PM

[up][up]That's exactly what it is. It actually turns out that this film takes place before Civil War, and with a Spidey in his mid-twenties no less. How is that possible, you may ask? Simple; instead of trading his marriage with MJ, he instead trades his entire existence as Spiderman up to this point, which just happens to include his marriage with MJ anyway. However, Mephisto decides to be a particularly nasty dick about it, and decides to erase Peter's entire existence as Spiderman by regressing Petey's timeline and those integral to his life right back to when when he started, without moving Pete and Co. back in time. Therefore, it turns out that Petey had been Spidey for some time, only for his entire career to be erased due to the events of One More Day. However, there is still something of a Bittersweet Ending, as Peter Parker, once again a teenager, begins his Spiderman career anew.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47565: Dec 4th 2015 at 9:30:08 PM

The idea of a Spider-Man who has been in the business since the beginning and remembers having teamed up with all of the characters in the Cinematic Universe, but is forgotten by everyone else and only thought of a new kid on the block because of Mephisto, is seriously funny.

Like, he was there when Loki invaded Earth. He had a decisive role in beating back the Chitauri. But when we watch Avengers, we're watching the altered past, not how it originally happened. He helped Daredevil take down Fisk. He arrived with Fury and Rhodey in Sokovia. Etc. But not even the audience will ever know it. Only Spider-Man can live with the burden.

It'll never happen for the same reason why it's hilarious, though.

edited 4th Dec '15 9:30:45 PM by KnownUnknown

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#47566: Dec 4th 2015 at 9:33:45 PM

I think I read one Spiderman fanfic that takes place at the end of Amazing Spiderman 2, where Peter mourns Gwen Stacey's death but then the Chitauri invasion happens, and he joins the Avengers.

Also, there's this one fic called "Grandpa Cap'', where Peter turns out to be Steve's great grand-son. XD

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47567: Dec 4th 2015 at 10:25:50 PM

[up][up] That is seriously the backstory of a Marvel superhero called the Sentry. He was totally friends with all the superheroes, including the Fantastic Four and the Hulk, but had all of that erased from existence to stop the Void.

Also, that's the backstory of a DC superhero named Triumph: he was the founder and leader of the Justice League of America, but during their first mission, he saved the world and was erased from everyone's memories and existence.

edited 4th Dec '15 10:26:07 PM by alliterator

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#47568: Dec 4th 2015 at 10:39:19 PM

I do like the idea that MCU Spiderman decides to make his Spidey costume red and blue in honor of Captain America.

edited 4th Dec '15 10:39:59 PM by MadSkillz

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47569: Dec 4th 2015 at 11:00:52 PM

[up][up] Sentry's the Superman expy, right? Or am I thinking of someone else...

edited 4th Dec '15 11:01:04 PM by KnownUnknown

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47570: Dec 4th 2015 at 11:03:01 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I like that too.

One thing I'm starting to dislike with DC universe is that so many goddamn characters, both heroes and villains, are wearing black. At least the outfit look less monochrome when it comes to the Suicide Squad...

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#47571: Dec 4th 2015 at 11:16:44 PM

[up][up]

He's the Superman expy, yes.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#47572: Dec 4th 2015 at 11:34:52 PM

Marvel has a lot of those.

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#47573: Dec 4th 2015 at 11:36:30 PM

And they're always a waste of time.

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#47574: Dec 5th 2015 at 12:05:40 AM

Hyperion was good when they were using him as a Not-Superman for Thor to beat up whenever. And the Squadron Supreme series is one of those Classic Must-Read Things.

Gladiator is fine as a space asshole who is slightly more reasonable than other space assholes. On the other hand, his powers are fueled by confidence (like Captain Britain Jr?) so he was once defeated and pissed himself because someone made fun of his costume. And/or because they were a terrible psychic entity.

Sun-God works as a Superman expy same as Hyperion except more so because he was only used the once and hasn't been brainwashed evil seven billion times. Except instead of being a Superman expy for Thor to beat up, he's a Superman expy to make the Illuminati look like exactly the dicks they were.

Sentry is. Not great much of the time.

Count Nefaria, like Hyperion, is an expy Superman except they don't even have to bother brainwashing him or whatever. He's just an evil superman powerset to kick the Avengers' collective asses.

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of right now.

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#47575: Dec 5th 2015 at 12:38:18 AM

Question: is Graviton from the first episode of Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes in the comics and has he ever fought Magneto? Seems like an obvious match-up to me: guy who controls gravity vs guy who controls electromagnetism.


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