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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47476: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:10:05 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] So I guess Taika Waikiti being director for Thor Ragnarok is a 100% done deal now?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#47477: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:18:02 PM

[up][up][up] If that was the case, I would have expected them to say something to that effect.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47478: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:23:47 PM

EW had a rundown on one of the CW fight scenes and it sounds epic.

While Black Widow gives an all-out thrashing to Ant-Man, Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch blast away at the sky — him with his trusty bow and arrows, her with her mystical red energy pulses. They’re trying to knock some unseen threat out of the air. (It’s hard to tell which visual effect they’re imagining.)

It’s definitely not Iron Man. He’s flying low and locked onto another target: Captain America. Evans raises his shield, slings an upper cut through the air, and gets in one more hit against his invisible foe before he’s almost taken out in real life.

The main camera is on a crane, and it swoops down on the battle scene — following Iron Man’s descent — until it’s right in Evans’s face. The actor has to dive out of the way at the last second to avoid being clobbered.

After a few more takes, Evans comes over to the video screens to check out the shot, laughing at the fact that each one ends with an extreme close-up of his panicked face, dodging the camera. “I can’t keep throwing punches when that’s so close,” he says. The Russos come up with a solution: Go ahead and drop back.

The shot will end with Iron Man knocking Captain America to his knees.

But he’s not going to stay there.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47479: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:28:44 PM

Also among other things T'Challa is one of the politicians who helps craft the Sokovia Accords.

The article also confirms an earlier rumor about the movie's Stamford-like event.

The fight with Crossbones and his HYDRA goons ends badly and a bunch of people get killed in the crossfire.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47481: Dec 2nd 2015 at 10:44:01 PM

Rewatching fight scenes from Winter Soldier, and I wondered:

Remember Winter Soldier's first encounter?

Wouldn't it have been hilarious of he just took Cap's shield and ran off? [lol]

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47482: Dec 2nd 2015 at 10:56:12 PM

"MINE."

edited 2nd Dec '15 10:56:21 PM by Anomalocaris20

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47483: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:02:48 PM

Also, I loved how Steve (almost) Hulk-smashed himself through the floor to get to Bucky. [lol][lol][lol]

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47485: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:17:31 PM

I actually haven't watched that bit.

Hulk riding on a tiny motorcycle and Falcon psyching Hydra made me laugh the hardest. XD

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#47486: Dec 3rd 2015 at 12:22:14 AM

@dRoy:

Dangit Steve why did you bank off the wall and jump on to that bureau anyway what was the point of that

Every time I watch that chase and get to 2:13 it just cracks me up.

edited 3rd Dec '15 12:26:56 AM by edvedd

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#47487: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:01:36 AM

Never heard of Rule of Cool? XD

On another note, I hate to say it, but I have a nasty feeling that next year is gonna be the year in which Marvel finally releases a truly bad film in the form of Doctor Strange. With it being written by two absolutely terrible writers in the form of Thomas Dean Donnely and Joshua Oppenheimer, who wrote such craptastic films like Sahara, Dylan Dog Dead of Night, and A Sound Of Thunder, alongside Jon Spaihts, who has written the absolutely terrible film The Darkest Hour, and directed by Scott Derrickson, who's highest rated film, Sinister, only got a 62% RT rating, I struggle to see how this movie will turn out as anything but a disaster. Even James Gunn and the Russo Siblings had a better track record than the clowns they picked for this film.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#47488: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:09:05 AM

But Jon Spaihts did write the draft of Prometheus that was actually supposed to be good. And I believe Kevin Fiege has a special interest in Doctor Strange.

It really depends. There are many reasons movies turn out bad. Maybe the writers, maybe the directors, or studio interference. It's hard to judge. In terms of directors, Peyton Reed doesn't have the best filmography either, but that worked out OK.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47489: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:29:55 AM

I have a bad feeling towards the script of Dr. Strange, too. My prediction is that it will be a deeply flawed movie, but will make up for the flaws with stunning visuals.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#47490: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:42:32 AM

I think Kevin Fiege really likes Doctor Strange, so he has a vested interest in making this work.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47491: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:59:23 AM

I have the same feeling too. Doctor Strange is going to rely heavily on style over substance, and for the most part that's all it really needs to get by. The Oath aside I don't think the Doctor Strange comics were famous for their plots anyway.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47492: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:25:45 AM

The movie might be based on The Oath though.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#47493: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:45:41 AM

Wait, if Kevin Fiefe supposedly has such a special interest in Doctor Strange, then wouldn't he have picked better writers and directors to absolutely make sure it works?

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Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Don't mock the shocker
#47494: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:46:01 AM

The cast is really good though, maybe one of the best in the MCU so far. That alone will kick the movie up a notch I think.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47495: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:55:18 AM

Perhaps the pitch of the writers they picked was particularly good? Thing is, scripts often change during production and for each script which makes it on firm, there are many which don't. It is possible that those writers have written some good scripts and just got unlucky that their original pitches got messed up by the demands of the studio or the director, or that for whatever reason only their not so good scripts got picked up so far. It is hard to tell. I just can say that based on what I know for sure, I am not confident. Well, at least they didn't pick the guy who wrote Pan.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#47496: Dec 3rd 2015 at 2:56:55 AM

@Mousa: I've heard that he does. It keeps coming up somehow when I think back on comments he's made and what people say about him.

I'm just saying, there are a few directors and writers in the Marvel lineup who don't really look good on paper, but you can never be too sure.

[up]Exactly my point.

[up][up]Yeah, in terms of raw acting talent this is the best cast Marvel has put together in a while.

edited 3rd Dec '15 3:03:19 AM by edvedd

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47497: Dec 3rd 2015 at 3:21:55 AM

I looked at Winter Soldier's Headscratchers page and I see that I'm not the only one who wondered why Bucky didn't just grab the Shield and ran off. I'm very much of a slowpoke, at that. [lol]

I like the explanation that Bucky not knowing the Shield was one of a kind weapon (for all he knew, it was a pretty common piece of weapon in that age) and that Bucky threw it back at him as a distraction to get away.

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#47498: Dec 3rd 2015 at 4:27:33 AM

As for Doctor Strange, as guess all we can do is trust that Feige will ensure that the film doesn't turn out bad. But then again, he isn't perfect either, as what he desires might not necessarily make for the best films (Iron Man 2 and 3 and Thor The Dark World come to mind, as he couldn't keep those films from being mediocre).

And again, Peyton Reed, The Russos, and James Gunn, while they may not have had the best track records before their films, at least made more acclaimed works than Scott Derrickson. Add to that the three poor writers, and I'm just really concerned.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47499: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:37:12 AM

For the director of Doctor Strange: have we all forgotten that before Winter Solder, the last movie the Russo brothers directed was You, Me, and Dupree? As for the writers, the first Iron Man film was said to actually have been written on the fly as they were shooting (Jeff Bridges said it was a like a giant college film) and the scriptwriters themselves had pretty poor track records previously, but a great cast made it all work.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#47500: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:42:44 AM

Not a Marvel example, but I just saw Trumbo, which I highly recommend, and that was directed by Jay Roach who is behind the Meet the Parents and Austin Powers movies and Borat.

In light of Trumbo and the HBO docudramas he's done, he seems to have a gift for political dramas (with a satirical edge) that's superior to his talent for straight comedy.

So yeah, the people behind lousy movies can also make great ones.

edited 3rd Dec '15 8:43:26 AM by Hodor2


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