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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47426: Dec 2nd 2015 at 4:02:50 AM

Thor was a fake-out. They made it look like Loki is a power hungry villain just to reveal that he actually wants the approval of his father and the acceptance as Aesir more than anything else.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47428: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:34:52 AM

Is that Sokovian on the right?

It doesn't look like Russian.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47429: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:44:00 AM

I think it's French. A lot of official diplomatic documents are done in French.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47430: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:49:29 AM

Oh, that would make sense.

I'd have found it amusing if it was sokovian just so Wanda could read it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47431: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:34:22 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't sign this either. The last time the heroes acted under the orders of a panel, said panel decided that nuking New York was a good idea. It would be different if there were a specific set of rules what a hero is allowed to do and what not. But who is to say that said panel gives reasonable orders?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47433: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:48:30 AM

I expected the Sokovia Accords to be a lot longer and more detailed. It seems pretty sparse for such an important legal document.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#47434: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:49:25 AM

@Swanpride, Technically nuking New York would be a good idea, but only in the absence of a finer method of handling the issue. The nuke was like using a car to kill an roach without considering every single other option first.

Like if we didn't have all this intel on the situation and superheroes on the ground then nuking New York would have been a viable option to prevent a greater alien force from coming in and taking over the entire planet. Needs of the many and whatnot.

I would argue that the security council made the decision far too soon. They practically rushed it.

@Kostya, actually that seems to just be the signing page. I read it, it seems there are more preceding documents we're not getting because why would fans care about reading hundred page UN treaties?

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:52:58 AM by MousaThe14

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47435: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:50:10 AM

It looked like it came with a thick packet of stuff that I assume lists all the things the Panel is allowed to order the Avengers to do or not do.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47436: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:04:24 AM

That makes more sense. There would have to be some kind of limits on this sort of thing. You can't just force the Avengers to do whatever the panel decides.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#47437: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:30:25 AM

"Alright, your first order is to take off your shirt! C'mon, you signed the accord, you've got to do it by law, Romanoff... and you too, Rogers."

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47438: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:33:07 AM

Infinite power corrupts instantly.

"Yes, Wanda, you too- OH GOD WHY IS EVERYTHING PAIN"

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#47439: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:35:33 AM

"What's wrong with you guys? Why can't you follow orders like Hulk? See, he's already taken off his-"

"HE'S NOT EVEN ON THE ACCORDS!"

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47440: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:46:32 AM

At least one of the guys on the council who issued the order was Hydra, though.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#47441: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:07:11 AM

@Swanpride, honestly, that some people have tried to abuse control over superheroes doesn't mean they don't need oversight. The people of Johannesburg would likely appreciate that something like the Hulk will never happen to them again.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47442: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:14:41 AM

How could oversight have prevented the Hulk rampage? Banner didn't choose to Hulk out.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#47443: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:16:44 AM

The fact that he's Hydra dies not totally invalidate the need for the decision considering he's one of the idiots that lives on this planet and has just as much of a vested interest in making sure our world isn't conquered and enskaved by an invading alien race that isn't HYDRA tested and HYDRA approved.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47444: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:17:00 AM

Look, it's either claim Hulk rampaged for no reason or let people know Ultron employed something that control the Hulk.

Though I guess he did have the staff, which DID have mind control powers. Why didn't they just tell everyone Ultron used the staff to make Hulk rampage?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47445: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:23:01 AM

Mind control is a hard sell.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47446: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:47:39 AM

I am not against oversight. But I think it should happened in a clear frame of rules. For example a police offer is sworn to the law. Yes, the government can change the law, but not only is said government elected by the people, it is also not an easy thing to do. Here we have a random group of people which are supposed to take control, with no clear frame for anything. But the heroes are supposed to sign on them deciding what should be done...maybe even in situations in which it is necessary to act swift. That's like telling a police officer "Whenever you want to arrest someone, you first have to call central and ask for permission".

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#47447: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:48:05 AM

[up]Basically the Accords shifts the problem problem elsewhere, but is still the same problem. It is still a group of unknown people of dubious accountability making decisions.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:48:29 AM by Heatth

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47448: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:51:15 AM

[up]Exactly! So while I agree with the principle that Superheroes need a set of rules, I agree with Cap that this is not the right solution.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:51:25 AM by Swanpride

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#47449: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:51:59 AM

U.N.: Tony, take your shirt off.

Tony: My shirt is off.

U.N.: Take your pants off.

Tony: My pants are off.

U.N.: ...Take your armor off.

Tony: No.

edited 2nd Dec '15 11:58:19 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47450: Dec 2nd 2015 at 11:53:23 AM

Commando armor

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