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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#47301: Nov 30th 2015 at 3:25:35 PM

They turned down Neil Gaiman and Guillermo del Toro and went on to pick a guy who only has some crappy horror movies to his name?

That's about the worst decision-making possible. Those two would have been perfect for a magic-focused movie.

edited 30th Nov '15 3:39:31 PM by Galadriel

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#47302: Nov 30th 2015 at 3:28:22 PM

Probably not the best film to debut with as a studio though, that sounds massively ambitious to do as your first outing in 2005. Probably not the best IP to kick off the MCU either.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#47303: Nov 30th 2015 at 3:41:45 PM

Yeah I have no idea why they'd turn down not just Neil Gaiman, not just Guillermo Del Toro, but Neil Gaiman and Guillermo Del Toro, two undisputed masters of modern fantasy. Del Toro in particular has the perfect pedigree for a Doc Strange movie. He has not just one, but three urban fantasy superhero movies under his belt (Blade II, Hellboy, Hellboy II - The Golden Army).

I don't think there could be a better choice to helm this movie on this Earthly realm or any other realm. If Jesus Christ descended from the Heavens to direct this film, he would say "Actually thinking of it, Guillermo Del Toro should do it."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#47304: Nov 30th 2015 at 3:50:52 PM

Neil gaimen is notoriously bad for writing to a budget, and Del Toro uses some really intensive and obscure approaches to filmmaking, how on earth would Marvel Studios, a studio with no experience in producing, produce for such a team? It would be great to do it now, but in 2005 they would have to be wide eyed idiots to think though could organise something that ambitious.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#47305: Nov 30th 2015 at 3:53:55 PM

Didn't Crimson Peak bomb financially?

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#47306: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:10:05 PM

And the hellboy franchise isn't considered profitable.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47307: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:25:32 PM

The Hellboy franchise is also Hellboy.

I'm not sure most people know he EXISTS.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47308: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:43:40 PM

But you can probably blame Crimson Peak on being Screwed by the Network in terms of advertising. Pacific Rim might not have been a hit in the US, but again that's probably due to poor marketing, and it did really well in China where Marvel's trying to focus their marketing efforts.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#47309: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:52:26 PM

Blade II was a massive success (and Marvel should remember that one, it was one of the forebearers of the current comic book movie boom age), Pacific Rim was a success overseas, Pan's Labyrinth was a success, Hellboy II was a modest success. He's not that unknown.

Most people can at the very least name Pan's Labyrinth out of the top of their heads.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#47310: Nov 30th 2015 at 7:50:46 PM

[up]Pale Man! [tup]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47311: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:06:56 PM

Jazz hands!

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#47314: Nov 30th 2015 at 9:27:18 PM

Maybe they want someone they think they can control and prevent from going off the rails and doing their own thing with a universe that belongs to the studio?

Also remember that while it will be Urban Fantasy it's still a superhero movie, they may not want someone who they feel would try and make too unconventional a movie, Pan's Labyrinth in particular was a brilliant film, but it's not exactly ticking the boxes for "summer superhero blockbuster" is it?

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#47315: Nov 30th 2015 at 10:01:24 PM

It's especially sad in Gaiman's case, since his Doctor Strange in Marvel1602 was one of the best in recent years. He clearly gets the character, even if he's displaced by a few centuries.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#47316: Nov 30th 2015 at 10:29:50 PM

Isn't the current Doctor Strange comic really well liked?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47317: Nov 30th 2015 at 10:31:21 PM

Yes, the current run is really, really good, although there's only been two issues so far. It's by Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo.

To be fair, though, it is very Gaimain-esque.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#47318: Dec 1st 2015 at 4:00:28 AM

Del Toro made the fantastically amazing Pacific Rim, I would have no worries about his ability to do anything superhero-y.

edited 1st Dec '15 5:48:03 AM by MousaThe14

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47319: Dec 1st 2015 at 5:19:31 AM

Del Toro would have been great but not as a good fit for the MCU. He very much likes doing things a certain way, and in a franchise where the producers and studio exert a great deal of control over the director, it would have been a blood bath.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47320: Dec 1st 2015 at 5:32:36 AM

[up]"And in recent news, Del Toro on trial for headbutting studio executive (15 times repeatedly in the face) into a coma for requesting he changes the screenplay to place more emphasis on a love interest." [lol]

edited 1st Dec '15 5:33:36 AM by nervmeister

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#47321: Dec 1st 2015 at 5:49:53 AM

That is a perfectly good reason for that assault, no jury in the world should convict him.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47323: Dec 1st 2015 at 6:00:12 AM

I don't even think that he is that good in the first place. His work is okay, and I don't think his sensibilities fit Marvel.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47324: Dec 1st 2015 at 6:32:14 AM

[up][up][up]"You mean these idiots missed out on a Del Toro Doctor Strange? Case dismissed."

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#47325: Dec 1st 2015 at 6:44:23 AM

I think Pacific Rim perfectly fits the sensibilities of Marvel. Hell, I'm still convinced the protagonist of that Movie should play Iron Fist.

edited 1st Dec '15 6:44:50 AM by MousaThe14

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