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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah I have no idea why they'd turn down not just Neil Gaiman, not just Guillermo Del Toro, but Neil Gaiman and Guillermo Del Toro, two undisputed masters of modern fantasy. Del Toro in particular has the perfect pedigree for a Doc Strange movie. He has not just one, but three urban fantasy superhero movies under his belt (Blade II, Hellboy, Hellboy II - The Golden Army).
I don't think there could be a better choice to helm this movie on this Earthly realm or any other realm. If Jesus Christ descended from the Heavens to direct this film, he would say "Actually thinking of it, Guillermo Del Toro should do it."
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Neil gaimen is notoriously bad for writing to a budget, and Del Toro uses some really intensive and obscure approaches to filmmaking, how on earth would Marvel Studios, a studio with no experience in producing, produce for such a team? It would be great to do it now, but in 2005 they would have to be wide eyed idiots to think though could organise something that ambitious.
But you can probably blame Crimson Peak on being Screwed by the Network in terms of advertising. Pacific Rim might not have been a hit in the US, but again that's probably due to poor marketing, and it did really well in China where Marvel's trying to focus their marketing efforts.
Blade II was a massive success (and Marvel should remember that one, it was one of the forebearers of the current comic book movie boom age), Pacific Rim was a success overseas, Pan's Labyrinth was a success, Hellboy II was a modest success. He's not that unknown.
Most people can at the very least name Pan's Labyrinth out of the top of their heads.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Maybe they want someone they think they can control and prevent from going off the rails and doing their own thing with a universe that belongs to the studio?
Also remember that while it will be Urban Fantasy it's still a superhero movie, they may not want someone who they feel would try and make too unconventional a movie, Pan's Labyrinth in particular was a brilliant film, but it's not exactly ticking the boxes for "summer superhero blockbuster" is it?
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

They turned down Neil Gaiman and Guillermo del Toro and went on to pick a guy who only has some crappy horror movies to his name?
That's about the worst decision-making possible. Those two would have been perfect for a magic-focused movie.
edited 30th Nov '15 3:39:31 PM by Galadriel