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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47251: Nov 29th 2015 at 8:34:24 PM

That would be rad.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#47252: Nov 29th 2015 at 9:52:13 PM

I think Jessica Jones either needed to adopt a Half-Arc Season model and give Jessica more standalone adventures, or it needed to have more season-long antagonists besides just Kilgrave. He's an entertaining villain, but he's too much of a one-trick-pony to support an entire season that's just about taking him down.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#47253: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:02:38 PM

After Kilgrave's third escape it became very frustrating.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47254: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:40:02 PM

I think it needed a more intricate plan by Kilgrave. It would have been great if what he did in the end was his plan B from the beginning, not something he happened to come up with because he had the opportunity.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47255: Nov 30th 2015 at 12:00:59 AM

I dunno if at this point I'm just deciding all of the series flaws are virtues because I'm blinded by love, or if I'm legit making good arguments.

But again, I do feel like the scattered pacing, mild repetition, and general aimlessess of the series adds an odd veneer of realism and, moreover, makes it feel different from most TV series.

Like, Kilgrave having a grand plan to increase his power would, in my eyes, seriously devalue the whole "banality of evil" thing the show has going on, that Kilgrave's worst sins are really just being petty and selfish.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47256: Nov 30th 2015 at 12:33:42 AM

At this point I think all of Marvel's shows are solid offerings. What you like better really depends on personal taste. I lean more towards the ABC stuff because I like some fun in my shows. The Netflix shows are more "one time watch" shows - especially Jessica Jones. I can't handle the show that well, it is too disturbing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47257: Nov 30th 2015 at 12:37:35 AM

The third escape worked fine for me because it was more about Kilgrave and Malcolm than Jessica. Its redundant yes but it pushes Kilgrave into a corner way more than the super special chamber did. There he was able to manipulate Hogarth without even using his powers. Then he comes and tries to manipulate Jessica and she punches him in the face.

If it weren't for random nonsense, that would have been it for him. And he thought he had a bulletproof offer there.

And Malcolm's role in it causes his crisis of faith which almost led him to just walk out of the show altogether.

Yeah, having three Kilgrave captures and escapes may be redundant but they all did different things and they all did what they were aiming for.

The show isn't perfect but its damn good.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#47258: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:20:50 AM

I'm just annoyed they didn't adapt the fake Captain America sex tape from the comics. *sigh* Maybe in season 2...

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#47259: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:39:58 AM

[up][up][up] I have watched Daredevil a total of three times, but some episodes I liked more/wanted to see again later.

I agree, 'cause I don't think I would watch Jessica Jones a second time without serious consideration and over a long period of time.

Crow: There's a plot?
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#47260: Nov 30th 2015 at 5:55:53 AM

I've rewatched some small parts of Jessica Jones. Emphasis on small. I don't know if I would ever be able to rewatch the whole season though. My nerves couldn't handle it.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47261: Nov 30th 2015 at 7:01:04 AM

Jessica Jones is good, but I'm really uninterested in re-watching it. Not for reasons like "it's too dark" or "it's too uncomfortable" but rather the Arc Fatigue that happens isn't interesting to sit through.

edited 30th Nov '15 7:01:23 AM by VeryMelon

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#47262: Nov 30th 2015 at 7:07:55 AM

I wonder if the rest of the series in the Defenders line-up will continue the trend of having their titular heroes end up in garbage piles/dumpsters at one point. grin

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47263: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:12:47 AM

One reviewer once said about Grave of the Fireflies that it was the best animated movie he will never watch again. I think that partly applies to Jessica Jones. It is a great ride, but not one I care to repeat often. I hope for a second season though...perhaps a little bit lighter?

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#47264: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:14:54 AM

... So am I the only one who's currently on their second viewing of Jessica Jones?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47265: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:20:10 AM

Unlike Daredevil, you cant really take the more, shall we say noteworthy scenes from Jessica Jones and go, "Hey, remember how awesome that part was? Man, that girl's parents didn't see that shit coming! Badass!" Sure there were moments like Luke Cage's first action scene, but those were relatively less impressive than Daredevil and ultimately got overshadowed by the "Oh god, no!" parts that the series will be remembered for.

edited 30th Nov '15 8:27:13 AM by nervmeister

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#47266: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:22:08 AM

[up][up]I re-watched it when my brother was doing his first viewing.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#47267: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:22:22 AM

[up][up][up] You have nerves of steel, good sir.

edited 30th Nov '15 8:22:33 AM by DeathsApprentice

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47268: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:26:27 AM

I'll probably rewatch some day but likely not soon

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47269: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:27:18 AM

This made me laugh.

Very old image, but eh.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47271: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:30:25 AM

I dont rewatch much of anything once I've completed it. I could easily rewatch it with company, if for nothing else than to observe their reactions. Though the sex scenes would make me feel awkward if my parents were the company.

edited 30th Nov '15 8:31:49 AM by nervmeister

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#47272: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:33:31 AM

I had trouble getting through the comics due to it bordering on Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. I don't think the show was as bad about it as the comics were (probably why I enjoyed the series more than the comic).

But I did reread "Alias" in preparation for the show and enjoyed it a lot more, so maybe the show won't be as bleak the second time around, and I'll like it even more.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47273: Nov 30th 2015 at 8:42:07 AM

Jessica Jones is a great series but I probably won't watch it again any time soon. The arc fatigue and overall darkness are too much for me. It isn't even entertainly stupid at times like Game of Thrones.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#47274: Nov 30th 2015 at 9:15:07 AM

I just finished Jessica Jones. I like it and hope for a second season, but I agree that Arc Fatigue and certain parts make a rewatch unlikely.

Which series comes next?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#47275: Nov 30th 2015 at 9:22:16 AM

Luke Cage, but I think the second season of Daredevil comes before that.

Speaking of which, I should really finish the first season...

When we're done, there won't be anything left.

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