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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#47226: Nov 29th 2015 at 2:58:58 PM

If we could go back to Civil War (the yet-to-be-released movie) for a second, I'd like to point something out. We did not see Sharon Carter anywhere in that trailer. I'm not complaining about that. First off, this was only the first trailer and it's possible as we get more, she'll be in there. And second, I don't think she added much of anything to Winter Soldier, so I don't really care if I see her again or not. I don't have that knee-jerk "but in the comics..." reaction to things, because I never read the comics. And the MCU is a separate continuity anyway. And it just occurred to me that the same people who said Sharon would be there on Team Cap said Wanda would be on Team Stark, and she clearly wasn't, so.

But it sparked an idea in my head (always dangerous wink ). It was said that someone on Team Stark was actually a spy for Team Cap. A lot of people pointed the finger at Black Widow, but I find that laughable. Everyone now knows she's a spy/assassin. Including Stark. Stark, who can't go more than five minutes without reminding everyone he's smarter than they are. Stark, who's already been infiltrated by the Black Widow once before. The very idea that he would forget all about that and let her do it again is ridiculous. Not to mention that fact that this seems to be a conflict centered on Bucky, and Natasha is a) a pragmatist, and b) has been aware from day one that Steve was compromised when it came to anything relating to Bucky.

But here's what I thought of (finally, [lol] ): What if Sharon is the spy? Whatever these "Accords" actually are, they're clearly a government thing. Stark and co. would probably be dealing with a government liaison of some kind. The events of Winter Soldier showed she was clearly a loyal SHIELD agent, and at the end she was qualifying for work at the CIA. She has at least passing familiarity with Steve Rogers (which might have been seen as an advantage before he went rouge), and maybe even Maria Hill, who apparently works at Stark Industries. Seems like a good candidate. So maybe that's what she's doing. And then shit goes down. When she smells a rat (remember, she was the first SHIELD agent to openly question going after Rogers in WS), she decides that rather than running off to join Steve in battle (a good way to get herself killed, considering the combatants), she decides the best way to help him is to stay where she is and quietly funnel him information. That would be especially important if Bucky really has been framed for something; Steve would know finding proof of that would be just as important as keeping Bucky out of reach.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#47227: Nov 29th 2015 at 3:02:17 PM

Huh. That sounds really possible, actually.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#47228: Nov 29th 2015 at 3:06:28 PM

Sharon actually is in the Civil War trailer; she's standing next to Martin Freeman's unnamed character, although you can barely tell it's them.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47229: Nov 29th 2015 at 3:11:24 PM

More info on Civil War and Bucky's role. Oh boy, maybe it's just me but it sounds like we really are going towards Bucky still being used as a HYDRA puppet and possibly taking Sharon's place as you know what.

As for the above spy talk, was that part of the general Heroic Hollywood leaks? I forget but depending on how they worded it the spy may not be for either side but for HYDRA/a third force.

edited 29th Nov '15 3:13:24 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47230: Nov 29th 2015 at 3:30:59 PM

Heroic Hollywood was the one claiming there is a double agent. They also claimed Spider-Man was going to be part of Iron Man's Avengers so we'll have to see, since I'm very dubious of the latter claim given what we know now.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#47231: Nov 29th 2015 at 4:06:20 PM

Welp. I just watched episode 13 of Jessica Jones and it sure was a thing that occurred while I watched it occur with my eyes.

It seems we've moved onto Civil War by now though.

edited 29th Nov '15 4:06:39 PM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#47232: Nov 29th 2015 at 4:10:19 PM

Does Netflix ever release DV Ds of their exclusive shows? I'd like to get Daredevil on DVD some day.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47233: Nov 29th 2015 at 4:59:19 PM

Jessica Jones borders on darkness for darknss's sake at several points
Wait what? It does? When was this?

Does Netflix ever release DV Ds of their exclusive shows? I'd like to get Daredevil on DVD some day.
I know they put out Arrested Development season four and at least a season of Orange is the New Black.

edited 29th Nov '15 4:59:52 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#47234: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:01:23 PM

Well Jessica going through all that she had to for Hope and then Hope dying anyways was a huge downer. It kinda pissed me off. If she had just killed him so many people would've lived like Hope, Ruben etc.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47235: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:02:15 PM

I don't see how that's "darkness for darkness sakes".

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#47236: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:03:32 PM

Because there so many ways it could've been avoided.

It might not be darkness for darkness' sake but it felt like a kick in the nuts while I was already down.

edited 29th Nov '15 5:04:12 PM by MadSkillz

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47237: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:08:23 PM

I loved Hope's death. A character deliberately fridging themselves to motivate a revenge scenario is fucking brilliant.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#47238: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:08:28 PM

Also the plot with Hope being pregnant with Kilgrave, trying to kill herself via beating to have an abortion, then having a painful poisoning-ish abortion, and Hogarth saving the dead fetus to test if Kilgrave's abilities could be reproduced, on top of what Mad Skillz said, seems a bit too much even for me, and I have a relatively high threshold for bleakness.

I watch man in the high castle, a show about the Nazis winning world war two, and that show doesn't seem as relentlessly bleak as Jessica Jones.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47239: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:09:30 PM

The show doesn't vilify Hope for wanting/taking the abortion, though, which is fantastic. On any other show that plotline would've gone way differently and made me very angry.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#47240: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:12:08 PM

I know, on the social issues sides, I have nothing but praise for this show, I just think it's way too bleak, and that the plot wears a tad thin on the last few episodes (seriously how many times Kilgrave is captured only to escape). Next season should be shortened to just 10.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47241: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:22:58 PM

[up][up]What shows do you watch that would have done a plot like that?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#47242: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:25:07 PM

If there is a show where a woman wants an abortion, and no one judges her for it, and then she has the abortion and stands by that decision, I'd love to see it. Most shows don't even make it to that first comma.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47243: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:27:11 PM

Oh you're just being broad for the sake of making a point.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#47244: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:31:12 PM

This is great.

edited 29th Nov '15 5:31:18 PM by MadSkillz

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47246: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:35:28 PM

That's so nicely put together. I love the cross over War Machine.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47247: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:55:27 PM

I've seen people note that Jessica's entire struggle kind of amounts to a "Shaggy Dog" Story in a way, but I think that's sort of the point. She's a very broken, selfish person who is not good at decision making, so she ignores what everyone else tells her to do ( killing Kilgrave) until it's the only choice she's left with.

She's sort of unlikeable in that respect, which I think makes her more interesting.

edited 29th Nov '15 5:56:03 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47248: Nov 29th 2015 at 5:59:36 PM

[up][up][up][up] Oddly enough, the first thing that came to mind seeing that is that Stars and Stripes doesn't look like that.

edited 29th Nov '15 6:00:11 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47249: Nov 29th 2015 at 6:00:08 PM

That feeling when there won't be a Marvel Vs Capcom 4 with playable Winter Soldier...

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#47250: Nov 29th 2015 at 8:32:23 PM

[up] It's weird because I kept fantasizing about a Marvel vs. Capcom 4 a while back.

Ultron teaming up with Sigma as the main conflict with Maestro as the final boss.

Yay or nay?


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