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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
" I'd say "grimdark" and "melodrama" have a pretty big overlap, so yes."
But not always, warhamemr 40k is grimdark(reaaaaally grimdark) but is more for shock than melodrama, I dont know why people overlap them so much.
"Also Arrow being so grimdark that it resembles a Batman show than anything to do with Green Arrow."
Pretty much this, many people have love marvel cinematic universe for going away with the grimdarkfing and melodramatic way of the comic, so many are getting tired of Batman influence creeping away into another movies(Man of steel) and shows(Like arrow)
About Lorelei episode...yeah, I stand with Ward there, the show failt to aknowlage what she did to him while May just dump him....pretty bad.
And about agent of shield...yeah, it get better near the end when finally it seen atack to MCU as whole instead of a distant show set in the same universe, grantes I have talk with many fan dumb because the avenger didnt show up.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"To be fair, May didn't dumb him because he slept with Lorelei, but because it was revealed that he is actually not interested in her but in love with someone else. Plus, considering that he was only sleeping with her to gain her trust, well, it is hard to be angry with her.
That's something Ao S does quite often I noticed. Other Spy shows really like the trope of a female agent seducing a mark. But in Ao S, we usually see male agents being forced to flirt. (Ward trying to seduce the clearly straight guard was particularly funny).
No, I knew that list was BS. I just wanted to know if there was anyone who wanted to see Hugh Laurie as JJJ before the BS cast list came up.
On another note, does anyone have any hopes or fears for the Iron Fist series on Netflix?
Part of me is actually really hoping they dial back the Darker and Edgier aspect that the other MCU Netflix shows have established. Because as hard as Jessica Jones was to watch, the last thing I want to see in an MCU series, a series that deals with martial arts no less, is brutal combat that looks like it came straight from Mortal Kombat. Fatalities and all.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels that way.
edited 29th Nov '15 11:03:34 AM by TargetmasterJoe
That's how I feel too. Like the way I think of Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and incidentally Moon Knight too is as a character that is essentially a normal person in a weird situation. So while I know there's no way his series or Cage's would tonally be like Ant-Man, I think that's not a bad guide.
edited 29th Nov '15 11:10:18 AM by Hodor2
I do think Luke Cage and Iron Fist (particularly Iron Fist) should be lighter. Jessica Jones borders on darkness for darknss's sake at several points, Luke Cage should have a more lighthearted vibe of "hero for hire" fighting evil. Perhaps a working comparison in tone would be the first Hellboy film, which is reasonably dark while maintaining a sense of adventure to it.
Iron Fist I think should be in tone, and I know this is going to sound funny, like Kung Fu Panda 2 (specifically its more serious moments).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I really don't have a problem with the darkness of the Netflix shows. I wouldn't have an Issue with Luke Cage and Iron Fist being just as dark.
I also don't know how I'd react to Iron First having Motal Kombat-style gore but that's a different argument from not wanting it to be as dark as Daredevil and Jessics Jones.
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Iron Fist I think should be in tone, and I know this is going to sound funny, like Kung Fu Panda 2 (specifically its more serious moments).
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You're right. That does sound funny. But at the same time, I hear what you're saying.
Like don't be afraid to veer into dark territory, but don't overdo it like Jessica Jones.
edited 29th Nov '15 11:27:56 AM by TargetmasterJoe
Honestly, I don't a problem with 'veering into dark territory'. Compared to some of the things I've watched, JJ is sunshine and rainbows. So I wouldn't have a problem if Cage and Iron Fist had similar tones.
edited 29th Nov '15 12:11:47 PM by kkhohoho
On the other hand, "Not as bleak as Berserk" is a really low benchmark to set for yourself.
edited 29th Nov '15 12:07:47 PM by SonOfSharknado
My various fanfics.I thought that Luke Cage and Iron Fist would be great in a homage to Enter The Dragon. A mysterious be-tentacled crime syndicate is pushing a deadly new drug on the streets. They're hosting a martial arts tournament to recruit new muscle. Luke Cage and Iron Fist put on funky costumes to blend in with these rogues and thugs, complete with tiara and slippers.
The twist? It's not Hydra, but Namor, prince of Atlantis, who's begun his war on the surface world.
I, for one, found Jessica Jones a lot bleaker than game of thrones. While a lot of bad things happen in GOT, I always got the sense doing good mattered, and the actions of heroes, while often resulting in their own deaths and the deaths of those they loved, were never meaningless. Jessica Jones though, spends 10 episodes tyring to achieve something, only for all the sacrifices to be rendered completely useless near the end of episode 10, Jones herself barely changes from her unrepentant asshole behavior and really nearly every plotline results in All for Nothing.
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if Iron Fist has any scene as emotionally impacting as this one
and as awesome as this one
it might just match Daredevil (which remains to this day my favorite MCU work to date, and one of my favorite tv shows currently on air, or Hell, of all time).
edited 29th Nov '15 12:18:41 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I am not a fan of gore. But I don't mind the MCU going dark with the Netflix series. That is the diversity I like so much about it. I don't have to like everything they do as long as they offer enough to hit my taste. I like that better than them serving exactly one audience, even if I am part of said audience.
I don't watch Go T because the tendency of overusing and playing down rape had already put me off the books when the series started. As far as I can tell, the show does even worse.
What I really appreciated about Jessica Jones is that the show made clear that Jessica was raped, but focussed on the psychological effect instead of actually showing said rape.
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I have heard that accusation, yes.
Now, I'll admit I'm more familIiar with Luke's work as an Avenger than his street level stuff, but I'd like to see his show as being kind of a middle of the road thing, between Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Sort of like a fight with organized crime, but not really a conspiracy or anything like that (although they can hint at a larger thing like the other two did). Basically, something closer in scale to Daredevil, but with the more personal feel of Jessica Jones - a larger conflict that Luke gets involved in because it threatens him and people he knows. I think he said something to that effect to Jessica.
edited 29th Nov '15 2:10:26 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!

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