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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#47201: Nov 28th 2015 at 11:06:15 PM

"When you can't record your favorite shows, you feel unhappy. When you feel unhappy, you go to happy hour. When you go to happy hour, you feel like you are up for anything. When you feel like you are up for anything, you go to Turkish Bathhouse. When you go to Turkish Bathhouse, you meet Charlie Sheen. When you meet Charlie Sheen, you reenact scenes from Platoon with Charlie Sheen. Don't reenact scenes from Platoon with Charlie Sheen. Switch to Direct Tv."

I just wanted to type that.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47204: Nov 28th 2015 at 11:25:30 PM

J.K Simmons or bust

(Warning: this video has profanity. A lot of profanity.)

edited 28th Nov '15 11:26:18 PM by alliterator

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#47205: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:11:05 AM

" I'd say "grimdark" and "melodrama" have a pretty big overlap, so yes."

But not always, warhamemr 40k is grimdark(reaaaaally grimdark) but is more for shock than melodrama, I dont know why people overlap them so much.

"Also Arrow being so grimdark that it resembles a Batman show than anything to do with Green Arrow."

Pretty much this, many people have love marvel cinematic universe for going away with the grimdarkfing and melodramatic way of the comic, so many are getting tired of Batman influence creeping away into another movies(Man of steel) and shows(Like arrow)

About Lorelei episode...yeah, I stand with Ward there, the show failt to aknowlage what she did to him while May just dump him....pretty bad.

And about agent of shield...yeah, it get better near the end when finally it seen atack to MCU as whole instead of a distant show set in the same universe, grantes I have talk with many fan dumb because the avenger didnt show up.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47206: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:18:03 AM

To be fair, May didn't dumb him because he slept with Lorelei, but because it was revealed that he is actually not interested in her but in love with someone else. Plus, considering that he was only sleeping with her to gain her trust, well, it is hard to be angry with her.

That's something Ao S does quite often I noticed. Other Spy shows really like the trope of a female agent seducing a mark. But in Ao S, we usually see male agents being forced to flirt. (Ward trying to seduce the clearly straight guard was particularly funny).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47207: Nov 29th 2015 at 10:01:46 AM

Was that because of the "rumored" cast list for the MCU!Spidey movie or was Laurie as JJJ on people's heads earlier than that list?

I'm pretty sure the rumored cast list was debunked as bullshit. It's not out until 2017, I doubt they have a full cast ready.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#47208: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:02:38 AM

[up] No, I knew that list was BS. I just wanted to know if there was anyone who wanted to see Hugh Laurie as JJJ before the BS cast list came up.

On another note, does anyone have any hopes or fears for the Iron Fist series on Netflix?

Part of me is actually really hoping they dial back the Darker and Edgier aspect that the other MCU Netflix shows have established. Because as hard as Jessica Jones was to watch, the last thing I want to see in an MCU series, a series that deals with martial arts no less, is brutal combat that looks like it came straight from Mortal Kombat. Fatalities and all.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels that way.

edited 29th Nov '15 11:03:34 AM by TargetmasterJoe

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#47209: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:09:22 AM

That's how I feel too. Like the way I think of Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and incidentally Moon Knight too is as a character that is essentially a normal person in a weird situation. So while I know there's no way his series or Cage's would tonally be like Ant-Man, I think that's not a bad guide.

edited 29th Nov '15 11:10:18 AM by Hodor2

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#47210: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:18:03 AM

I do think Luke Cage and Iron Fist (particularly Iron Fist) should be lighter. Jessica Jones borders on darkness for darknss's sake at several points, Luke Cage should have a more lighthearted vibe of "hero for hire" fighting evil. Perhaps a working comparison in tone would be the first Hellboy film, which is reasonably dark while maintaining a sense of adventure to it.

Iron Fist I think should be in tone, and I know this is going to sound funny, like Kung Fu Panda 2 (specifically its more serious moments).

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47211: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:22:11 AM

I really don't have a problem with the darkness of the Netflix shows. I wouldn't have an Issue with Luke Cage and Iron Fist being just as dark.

I also don't know how I'd react to Iron First having Motal Kombat-style gore but that's a different argument from not wanting it to be as dark as Daredevil and Jessics Jones.

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#47212: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:25:19 AM

[up][up] Well I love Kung Fu Panda, so I'm sold.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#47213: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:27:41 AM

[up][up][up] Iron Fist I think should be in tone, and I know this is going to sound funny, like Kung Fu Panda 2 (specifically its more serious moments).

...

You're right. That does sound funny. But at the same time, I hear what you're saying.

Like don't be afraid to veer into dark territory, but don't overdo it like Jessica Jones.

edited 29th Nov '15 11:27:56 AM by TargetmasterJoe

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#47214: Nov 29th 2015 at 11:36:47 AM

[up]Honestly, I don't a problem with 'veering into dark territory'. Compared to some of the things I've watched, JJ is sunshine and rainbows. So I wouldn't have a problem if Cage and Iron Fist had similar tones.

edited 29th Nov '15 12:11:47 PM by kkhohoho

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#47215: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:07:33 PM

On the other hand, "Not as bleak as Berserk" is a really low benchmark to set for yourself.

edited 29th Nov '15 12:07:47 PM by SonOfSharknado

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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#47216: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:18:02 PM

I thought that Luke Cage and Iron Fist would be great in a homage to Enter The Dragon. A mysterious be-tentacled crime syndicate is pushing a deadly new drug on the streets. They're hosting a martial arts tournament to recruit new muscle. Luke Cage and Iron Fist put on funky costumes to blend in with these rogues and thugs, complete with tiara and slippers.

The twist? It's not Hydra, but Namor, prince of Atlantis, who's begun his war on the surface world.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#47217: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:18:03 PM

I, for one, found Jessica Jones a lot bleaker than game of thrones. While a lot of bad things happen in GOT, I always got the sense doing good mattered, and the actions of heroes, while often resulting in their own deaths and the deaths of those they loved, were never meaningless. Jessica Jones though, spends 10 episodes tyring to achieve something, only for all the sacrifices to be rendered completely useless near the end of episode 10, Jones herself barely changes from her unrepentant asshole behavior and really nearly every plotline results in All for Nothing.

[up][up][up][up] and [up][up][up][up][up] if Iron Fist has any scene as emotionally impacting as this one and as awesome as this one it might just match Daredevil (which remains to this day my favorite MCU work to date, and one of my favorite tv shows currently on air, or Hell, of all time).

edited 29th Nov '15 12:18:41 PM by Gaon

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47218: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:28:56 PM

You guys don't want it to be dark? Come on. Who doesn't want to see Danny face off against a machine monster wearing the flayed face of his father? waii

edited 29th Nov '15 12:40:50 PM by nervmeister

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47219: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:32:18 PM

I am not a fan of gore. But I don't mind the MCU going dark with the Netflix series. That is the diversity I like so much about it. I don't have to like everything they do as long as they offer enough to hit my taste. I like that better than them serving exactly one audience, even if I am part of said audience.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#47220: Nov 29th 2015 at 12:56:10 PM

@Gaon: That's hilarious that actually believe that about Game of Thrones.

I'd argue the complete opposite of what you said, since Got runs purely on shock value and sexualized violence these days, something Jessica Jones never does.

edited 29th Nov '15 12:57:18 PM by higherbrainpattern

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47223: Nov 29th 2015 at 2:05:45 PM

I don't watch Go T because the tendency of overusing and playing down rape had already put me off the books when the series started. As far as I can tell, the show does even worse.

What I really appreciated about Jessica Jones is that the show made clear that Jessica was raped, but focussed on the psychological effect instead of actually showing said rape.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#47224: Nov 29th 2015 at 2:09:53 PM

[up][up] I have heard that accusation, yes.

Now, I'll admit I'm more familIiar with Luke's work as an Avenger than his street level stuff, but I'd like to see his show as being kind of a middle of the road thing, between Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Sort of like a fight with organized crime, but not really a conspiracy or anything like that (although they can hint at a larger thing like the other two did). Basically, something closer in scale to Daredevil, but with the more personal feel of Jessica Jones - a larger conflict that Luke gets involved in because it threatens him and people he knows. I think he said something to that effect to Jessica.

edited 29th Nov '15 2:10:26 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47225: Nov 29th 2015 at 2:13:16 PM

I thought it would set up in the Gang milieu...hopefully with the Serpent Society thrown in as villain.


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