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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47052: Nov 25th 2015 at 10:15:24 PM

Honestly I never got any serious sense of friendship between them in the two Avengers movies, especially not that shippy line at the end of AOU. Felt more like fans of the pairing in the comics are projecting their relationship there onto their movie incarnations.

Speaking of that line in the trailer, I don't think that above lack of closeness between the two is unreconciliable with it. The way I saw it, despite their antagonism, Tony probably has a twisted sort of love/attachment towards Cap because of his own personal history. He's bad at expressing it, it's a recurring flaw of his, but he does still care. But it's an unequal relationship where he values his bond with Cap more than the other way around. So combined with his big ego it feels like a personal slap in the face to know he's not Cap's Special Person the way Cap is to him. It hurts Cap too because he's the kind of guy who cares about all his comrades-in-arms, even the ones he doesn't always agree with, but way less so than giving up on Bucky.

edited 25th Nov '15 10:29:52 PM by AlleyOop

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47053: Nov 25th 2015 at 10:19:26 PM

I saw Cap and Iron Man as being sorta Vitriolic Best Buds. They have insurmountable differences and headbutt often, but still rely on each other and are good friends underneath.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#47054: Nov 25th 2015 at 11:21:16 PM

Does it bother anyone else that Iron Man's repulsars have steadily become less and less 'beams of blue energy' and more 'Iron Man's palm sparks and whatever he's pointing it at sparks also'?

edited 25th Nov '15 11:27:32 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#47055: Nov 25th 2015 at 11:25:48 PM

I think it's just that it's a trailer and not all the effects work is done yet. It's like Feige said last year, literally all the FX work they can do earliest is spent for the shots in the trailers.

edited 25th Nov '15 11:26:14 PM by Tuckerscreator

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#47056: Nov 26th 2015 at 3:34:17 AM

Hey, about the possible Moon Knight series on Netflix, if they're gonna have a scene with this line:

Psychiatrist: You don't simply "catch" DID simply by pretending to be other people for a while... You're not insane. Your brain has been colonized by an ancient consciousness from beyond space-time. Smile.

I have a feeling that they might have to replace the very last word since they sort of really use that very word on Jessica Jones. Probably with something like "So be happy."

edited 26th Nov '15 3:35:31 AM by TargetmasterJoe

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#47057: Nov 26th 2015 at 4:48:54 AM

@critic ummm in the trailer that's Iron Man's repulsors malfunctioning.

CitizenH Since: Feb, 2014
#47058: Nov 26th 2015 at 5:28:31 AM

This is the power armor that used to casually blow up tanks, fight mechanized drones and took a nuke from some distance getting beatdown by two moderately strong bags of meat.

Badass Decay or Adaptational Wimp?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#47059: Nov 26th 2015 at 5:35:19 AM

[up] ...Or maybe he's already gone through a lot of beatdowns by the time Cap and Bucky go to town on him?

Seriously, stop being so pessimistic, dude.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#47060: Nov 26th 2015 at 5:37:25 AM

Also he did all that stuff generally from a distance, this fight is up close and personal.

Also being able to carry a nuke isn't impressive, it's just lifting a heavy thing, likewise your underestimating Cap and Bucky, they're two of the strongest (if not the strongest) humans on the planet. Hulk and Thor are stronger then them, but who else is?

edited 26th Nov '15 5:39:39 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47061: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:09:21 AM

[up]Iron Monger, Dynalash, and Killian (at least in terms of striking power). Then there's the fact that Tony's older models tanked things like high velocity tank shells, Thor's headbutt, and a massive spinning Helicarrier propeller. So yeah, seeing the latest, state-of-the-art model of Tony's armor get smacked around this easily by two people who only meet the bare minimum requirements of meta-humanity has me scratching my head somewhat. Though the armor doesn't look like it's taking much visible damage.

edited 26th Nov '15 6:36:31 AM by nervmeister

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#47062: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:16:33 AM

If Spider Man is still appearing in this, he's stronger.

And right now both Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are likely stronger as well.

One Strip! One Strip!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#47063: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:17:22 AM

Iron Man also got the shit kicked out of him by super soldiers before so it's not like it's unheard of.

Hell in the comics he gets beat up by far weaker opponents all the time.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47064: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:22:56 AM

[up]So does Silver Surfer. We tropers have a term for that....

edited 26th Nov '15 6:35:01 AM by nervmeister

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#47065: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:36:17 AM

[up] x11 Man, I really want that to happen.

Crow: There's a plot?
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#47066: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:39:24 AM

Is anyone bothered by the fact that they basically seem to have shot the Pro-reg side's argument in the foot by having Ross (the guy who helped create the Abomination) on the team? Not to mention how the last Captain America movie revealed that Hydra had infiltrated the government. Why have this discussion in your fil if you're just going to demonise one side in favor of the other.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#47067: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:41:49 AM

It doesn't look like they are demonizing any side, especially since we have Natasha on the pro-reg on side.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#47068: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:43:13 AM

Aren't we supposed to feel more pro to the anti-registration side, though? Since it is a Captain America movie. I hope that they do a good job to equally represent pro and anti-registration ideas, because both have equally interesting points. Or in the comics they did!

Crow: There's a plot?
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47069: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:43:18 AM

[up][up]Maybe Ross's is now on a tighter government leash after the Harlem incident. More restrictions on what he's allowed to do. Maybe that's why Tony is getting his ass kicked by Steve/Bucky. wild mass guess Adam Ross pulled a Metroid Other M on him and made him dial back his armor's power/capabilities.

edited 26th Nov '15 6:51:47 AM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47070: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:47:04 AM

Is anyone bothered by the fact that they basically seem to have shot the Pro-reg side's argument in the foot by having Ross (the guy who helped create the Abomination) on the team?

No, because that isn't Demonization.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#47071: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:51:18 AM

I think we are supposed to see both sides of the argument...but really, Steve is usually morally so right, it is difficult to go against him, even if Tony has a point.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47072: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:56:11 AM

Tony vs Steve is essentially Security vs Freedom, representing the delicate balancing act between the two for society in general. Tony's obsession with keeping the world safe resulted in Ultron. Maybe we'll see a disaster of Steve's own making due to his "no/less rules" mentality.

EDIT: Actually Tony represents both sides. He used the kind of freedom only a billionare can enjoy to try and keep the world safe, only for it to backfire, and now he's going in the opposite direction.

edited 26th Nov '15 7:06:44 AM by nervmeister

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47073: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:11:09 AM

I think it's more To Be Lawful or Good in this case. Steve wants to be Good - to get to the bottom of the mystery and protect his friends no matter what the law says, especially if he believes a fair trial won't happen. Tony wants to be Lawful - advocating oversight to make amends for past mistakes and wanting to bring in a dangerous fugitive first before worrying about whether he might be framed.

Neither of them are really in the wrong, but both of them are stubborn enough that this ends up coming to blows.

edited 26th Nov '15 7:11:41 AM by KnownUnknown

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#47074: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:11:26 AM

two people who only meet the bare minimum requirements of meta-humanity

That's where you lose me I think.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#47075: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:24:15 AM

[up]The skill and shield help a good deal but overall stat-wise, he's not that impressive for a meta.

edited 26th Nov '15 7:37:14 AM by nervmeister


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