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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Edit- Conversation has moved on a bit.
I don't know if Bucky would get a fair trial (and yeah, the trailer for Civil War implies that on account of being framed for a current crime, the attitude is pretty much shoot on sight).
However, he certainly should be cleared on account of duress.
edited 25th Nov '15 12:21:52 PM by Hodor2
Of course there's people who want Bucky dead. That's part of our three-pronged conflict next to the fact that those people also apparently framed him for something. It's presumably Zemo's Hydra, and possibly Ross giving his men orders to shoot first given his trigger-happy nature.
We were just discussing the hypothetical scenario of a fair and just trial for Buck.
edited 25th Nov '15 12:22:28 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think Bucky's actions while under Hydra's control might not even be the primary issue. If I'm reading the trailer right, I believe the real issue at stake is a horrific attack that takes place near the start of the movie that Bucky is framed for.
Which means, at least in the eyes of the public, he is either still under Hydra control or is killing innocent people of his own accord. Either option, combined with the reality of how deadly he is, could prompt a government response more along the lines of "shoot first and ask questions later" then Captain America is comfortable with.
As for who framed Bucky in the first place, that would almost certainly be Baron Zemo. Depending on how much of a chessmaster then want to make him in the MCU, it could be a case of him just trying to divert attention while he works on his master plan and things snowballing from there. Or it could be a case of him orchestrating the entire Civil War conflict from behind the scenes to try to destroy the Avengers from within so they can't stand in the way of whatever his real plans are.
X4: Well Ultron did steal a mind control staff immediately before showing up with a pair of HYDRA test subjects as minions.
Both of whom would later be seen assisting in the evacuation of Sokovia.
You could spin that easy.
Assuming their minion status was public, of course. The only non-avengers who saw them working for Ultron were criminals who stole Vibranium from Wakanda. They could just be a pair of random metahumans from Sokovia who decided to save their home town. It happens.
If they really delve into "you killed my dad" for Tony's motivations against Bucky, I hope they address the parallels with Wanda's own similar grudge against Tony in AOU, even if they do come to the conclusion in-universe that it's not quite the same. It'd be really lame to completely gloss over it and let him off the hook just because he's the MCU golden boy.
Actually, that's something I really hope they address when discussing the Accords, because it's a pretty glaring flaw in Age of Ultron.
There is basically no meaningful discussion about what Wanda has done in the name of vengeance after she helps out in Sokovia, and what if any punishment she should face.
Let's ignore that she is indirectly responsible for Ultron's creation, because that is indirect. She may have played on Stark's fears, but Stark himself made the choice to tamper with something beyond his means. That isn't, as far as I can tell, her fault.
She is, however, directly responsible for Hulk's rampage through a city of innocent people. She brainwashed him and let him run loose, and she did it willfully and maliciously in pursuit of misplaced retribution against Stark and the Avengers. That she is allowed to stay on the team without showing us any conversation about it and whether she should be arrested is a big issue, and if that's how the Avengers do things then clearly some kind of oversight is needed.
It's not like they're in an east european country that was probably actually taken over by nazis during WW 2.
After all, that base could have been there since WW 2. HYDRA was running SHIELD, they could have swept it under the radar. OR swept enough of it under the radar that the raid left it intact enough to bring back online with minimal difficulty and without alerting Sokovia.
But then, Sokovia didn't seem to much like the avengers anyway.
Fox is definitely the weakest of the three remaining superhero-movie studios (with Sony having tapped out). Even its best-performing comic book movies have made substantially less than Man Of Steel, never mind Avengers.
BVS did earn more than Civil War, so it's really down to how much people's interest in seeing the rest of the Avengers compares to their interest in seeing Batman fight Superman. I'd bet on Civil War, though, given that Man Of Steel had a pretty mixed reception among viewers and critics alike, and given that the trailers for BVS have been uninspiring to say the least. Warner Brothers seems to be betting that way too, given that they moved it back to March in order to get away from Civil War. Moving it to March rather than to the summer months doesn't indicate confidence.
It's striking just how repetitive the superhero movies are getting. All the studios are doing a mix of big team-up movies and smaller solo ones in 2015. Both Marvel and DC are doing big blockbusters where their main heroes fight each other. Both DC and Fox are doing smaller, darker, villain-protagonist (or really dark anti-hero) movies (Suicide Squad and Deadpool).
edited 25th Nov '15 4:10:59 PM by Galadriel

Maybe they have to prove it's actually Bucky from the Howling Commandos and not some random guy who looks like him? What did they use for identification back in the 40s?