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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46851: Nov 23rd 2015 at 5:58:34 PM

Jessica is strong but is apparently only a slightly tougher than a regular person (and she seems to heal fast) - enough that she can shrug off getting shot in the right place, but isn't about to go walking in front of bullets. Weapons and even a regular brawl can hurt her almost as much as a normal person. So her powers only give her the edge insofar as she can hit him - and he's got the whole "insane ninja training + spider-sense" bit.

So Daredevil would probably win, especially if he got the drop on her.

And that brings up a good point - should we be expecting a Let's You and Him Fight situation when the gang first meets, a la Iron Man vs Thor in Avengers? Jessica Jones did give us a Jessica vs Luke sequence, even if it only happened thanks to Kilgrave's manipulation.

edited 23rd Nov '15 6:03:13 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46852: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:00:29 PM

I imagine we'll get Daredevil vs. somebody. Jessica and Luke are already on good terms and already had a fight, and Iron Fist will presumably be on good terms with Luke before Defenders, leaving Matt as the only "outsider" who risks having a misunderstanding.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46853: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:01:37 PM

If we do get something like that, I expect we'd have a scene where we see how skilled Iron Fist is through him beating Daredevil or something.

edited 23rd Nov '15 6:01:53 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46854: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:02:58 PM

Well, Iron Fist is getting his own show before Defenders, so he'd presumably be established as powerful before that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#46855: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:03:00 PM

Iron Fist vs. Daredevil would be the shit.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46856: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:05:27 PM

Also, since Jessica is now officially in the slot of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's Greatest Detective, even if she does lose a fight like that we should totally get something like this.

Not the actual fight itself, but the part where she retaliates by tracking him down and figuring out his secret identity.

edited 23rd Nov '15 6:06:03 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46857: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:11:20 PM

Yeah, Jessica's gonna need to play up her detectiveness come Defenders. Matt and Danny have way more martial skill, while Luke's stronger and way more durable.

I'm more wondering how they'll differentiate Matt and Danny. Even if their abilities come from different sources, both are martial arts masters with enhanced senses.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46858: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:12:00 PM

Jessica struggled with Simpson, who has extensive combat training but no superpowers, and Matt has his enhanced senses on top of his insane martial prowess.
Actually, at that point, Simpson did have super strength, because he was on combat enhancements. Previously, Jessica was able to beat him without a problem, but with the red pills, he got stronger (and crazier).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#46859: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:17:31 PM

I'm really hoping they get some awesome fight coordinators for Iron Fist.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46860: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:20:03 PM

She was only just keeping up even before he popped a pill. Same in Episode 3, where she had to get Trish to play possum because she realized this guy wasn't just some beat cop she could... beat.

Jessica's problem is that while she's insanely strong, which is good for scaring the shit out of normies, she has no formal combat training and anything she can't just smash with one punch, such as someone who can dodge or take her blows and hit back nearly as hard, she has to outwit.

edited 23rd Nov '15 6:22:42 PM by Anomalocaris20

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#46861: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:20:34 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'm more wondering how they'll differentiate Matt and Danny. Even if their abilities come from different sources, both are martial arts masters with enhanced senses

Danny's offensive power FAR outclasses Matt's (obviously).

edited 23rd Nov '15 6:21:21 PM by nervmeister

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46862: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:23:56 PM

Yeah. I can't help but wonder what Matt brings to the table that Danny doesn't, besides defending clients.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#46863: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:25:11 PM

And his eyes work. >.>

My various fanfics.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46864: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:27:16 PM

I was thinking of saying "defending clients and tripping over furniture", but it seemed a little mean-spirited. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#46865: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:30:19 PM

Jessica is more likely to trip of furniture than Matt.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#46867: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:35:41 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]They might make Danny's senses not quite as good as Matt's or they may add the stipulation that Danny needs to be continuously holding still and focusing in order to amp them to similar levels.

[up]Chi, not magic. That stuff is way different.

edited 23rd Nov '15 6:44:46 PM by nervmeister

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46868: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:40:59 PM

[up][up][up]Fair point. [lol]

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#46869: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:41:32 PM

So I heard that The Punisher will appear in Dare Devil.

Awwwww yeeeaaaahhhhhhhhh.

Shit, if I didn't have a reason to watch that yet, I sure as Hell do now. grin

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46870: Nov 23rd 2015 at 6:46:24 PM

PUNISH

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46871: Nov 23rd 2015 at 7:15:43 PM

I'm more wondering how they'll differentiate Matt and Danny. Even if their abilities come from different sources, both are martial arts masters with enhanced senses.

Probably tone. Though they're both martial arts masters and such, Matt is a grim and somewhat grounded "in the shadows" ninja kind of character, while Danny is a flashy example of bombastic martial arts action and super-mysticism. Even if he's not completely 70's (and given that Luke thankfully wasn't either, it's possible he won't be), it's still a very different take on the concept.

Even when fighting side by side, they'd ideally seem completely different - in part through sheer force of personality.

edited 23rd Nov '15 7:17:38 PM by KnownUnknown

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#46872: Nov 23rd 2015 at 7:29:34 PM

Matt will probably be more ninja like (ironically, considering where they trained), doing silent takedowns in total darkness and stuff like that.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#46873: Nov 23rd 2015 at 7:53:21 PM

I'm not sure why Luke would've been '70s. He gave up the 'fro-and-silver-headband look a long time ago in the comics, and it's not like Daredevil is running around in yellow, or Tony wore a gold version of the Mk I for the whole first movie.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#46874: Nov 23rd 2015 at 8:24:41 PM

I'm more wondering how they'll differentiate Matt and Danny. Even if their abilities come from different sources, both are martial arts masters with enhanced senses

That is a very fair question. I believe Danny even acted as Daredevil for a while, in the comics, when Matt was unavailable for a time.

Anyway, I think Unknown is right. They have different enough personalities that, even if they fight similarly, they are fairly distinguishable.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46875: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:20:11 PM

Here's the thing: Daredevil is the most "superhero" of all the Netflix heroes. Jessica Jones was specifically designed to be a hardboiled PI, Luke Cage was designed to be a blaxploitation character, and Iron Fist was designed to be a martial arts hero.


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