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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46751: Nov 22nd 2015 at 8:47:10 AM

(Here's the issue I'm talking about, in case anyone wants to see it.)

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#46752: Nov 22nd 2015 at 9:09:59 AM

It makes me wonder if they will bring back Simpson as a bad guy in The Defenders mini-series.

edited 22nd Nov '15 9:10:27 AM by comicwriter

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#46754: Nov 22nd 2015 at 10:50:32 AM

[up]That's my thought as well.

Now it's certainly possible that they'll play into the Defenders somehow, but I'm not sure Marvel even knows who the main antagonist of the Defenders is going to be. And even if they have a plan on paper it's not set in stone yet.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46755: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:05:21 AM

It's slightly weird that they are going to adapt the Defenders in this way, anyway, since the Defenders were never really "street level" heroes. They were always the weird heroes, the ones who fought against Lovecraftian horrors and encountered beings like the Elf With a Gun (whom I still hope will show up in the MCU, because that would be hilarious).

There's also been a number of different incarnations of the Defenders, from the original (which had the Hulk, Namor, Dr. Strange, and Silver Surfer) to the '70s version with Hellcat and Nighthawk, to the Secret Defenders (the only team with Iron Fist in it), to last years Fearless Defenders (which were led by Misty Knight and Valkyrie and were made up of female superheroes).

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#46756: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:11:39 AM

Meh. I don't have a problem with it. "Defenders" just sounds neat and sorts well thematically with "Avengers". All it really means that if we ever get enough capital-w Weird characters to necessitate their own team it'll just be called something else. "Defenders" is kinda bland for such a concept anyway.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46757: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:18:28 AM

There's nothing to have a problem with. It's either "The Defenders" or "Marvel Knights" and one sounds less out there than the other. It's the same reason we'll never hear anyone in the Netflix shows call the "The Incident" an Alien Invasion.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#46758: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:33:16 AM

[up]They did explicitly state that "The Incident" was an alien attack in an early episode of Jessica Jones.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#46759: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:44:24 AM

They also clarified what the Incident exactly was in Daredevil.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#46760: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:54:04 AM

Saw the first episode with my mom.

HOLY SHIT THAT ENDING. JUST HOLY SHIT. surprised

I can't do it.

Nope.

Noooope.

Spoil it for me. Someone tell me what happens in the end. This episode was so HEAVY. I don't think I can go any further without knowing if it turns out remotely well for our heroes.

edited 22nd Nov '15 12:01:29 PM by TargetmasterJoe

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46761: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:55:11 AM

Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46762: Nov 22nd 2015 at 11:58:12 AM

An issue I have with the Defenders is that noe if they ever want to do the "Dr. Strange has a team of heroes that face supernatural threats" idea (which they really should, because it'd be a great way to continue huge epic team plots without it always being the Avengers), now they have to find a new name for them.

And if that team takes the name of a third team, then that team would have to find a new name should they ever get adapted, etc and so on. Until one day the Illuminati are set up and they have to call themselves Heroes For Hire.

Though I kind of doubt the characters will all themselves the Defenders in-universe, kind of like how nobody in the Young Justice animated show ever called the team by that name. None of the Netflix heroes met so far are the kind to really be into that sort of thing.

edited 22nd Nov '15 12:01:33 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#46763: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:09:20 PM

Just because the show is called The Defenders, it doesn't mean that Luke Cage and Iron Fist won't be heroes for hire. It just doesn't make sense to turn daredevil into a hero for hire because his character would never let the people he rescues pay them - unless he defended them in court.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#46764: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:14:16 PM

Ok ok ok.

  • Krysten Ritter is awesome as Jessica Jones. Natural choice. Plays up the badass, funny, and tragic sides of Jessica like a boss.
  • Mike Colter is also awesome as Luke Cage, giving off the badass awesomeness personality that I expect from the character. Even though he probably doesn't have his super power yet.
  • And I will never stop considering David Tennant as a great actor. But...

The first episode is too...whoa. And the episode after, I jumped ship after the "It's not my fault. It's yours." line.

I'm sorry, you guys. sad

EDIT: My mom's hooked on the show. And through that, I found out that actually Luke already has his superpower. Huh.

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:04:58 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#46765: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:41:42 PM

That's okay. It's a dark show, and it keeps getting darker until about midway through the final episode. If you're overwhelmed after two episodes, best to drop it now.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#46766: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:42:14 PM

WRT Defenders, Marvel likes recycling unused trademarks. They haven't been able to launch a successful Defenders comic book since the original one was cancelled back in the 80's, and it's unlikely they were gonna try it in the movies anytime soon since Namor and the Silver Surfer are both off-limits.

For a similar example, I think someone said the Young Justice cartoon at DC was called that because someone at WB pointed out that they already owned the trademark on the name, even though the cartoon had almost nothing at all to do with the comic book of the same name.

edited 22nd Nov '15 12:42:28 PM by comicwriter

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#46767: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:56:11 PM

[up][up][up]I think that's ironically the one moment that f**ked with me the most out of the entire run, it being a combination of Yank the Dog's Chain, Downer Ending, and complete and utter Nightmare Fuel. Everything seemed to get emotionally easier for me after that point. Its funny how Purple Man is scarier (and eldritch in some ways) the less he appears in person.

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:26:06 PM by nervmeister

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#46768: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:11:42 PM

I will say, when Jessica was traversing through the hallway, into the dark room, and into the bedroom in the first episode, I literally said to myself "Someone was looking forward to Silent Hills."

EDIT: I feel like I should reiterate, the actors are great, no doubt there. It's just the story that's not working for me. People get that feeling sometimes, right?

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:13:03 PM by TargetmasterJoe

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46769: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:13:19 PM

I don't think I registered anything like fear or uneasiness while I watched Jessica Jones.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#46770: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:15:27 PM

[up]Oh sure. Rub it in, why don't you. sad.......tongue

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:15:52 PM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46771: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:18:10 PM

Not saying I can't get scared or feel uneasy, just that It never happened to me during my binging.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#46772: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:21:30 PM

[up]That's fine. Though I still kind of envy you.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#46773: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:22:54 PM

I just finished episode 1 and nothing is alright.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#46774: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:29:02 PM

I know thst feel, Mr. 'Caj. I just finished the show and still nothing is alright...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46775: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:34:12 PM

Just finished the last episode now.

Overall it was a very good show, but I still prefer Daredevil. This one's writing felt a little bit sloppier, the humor was not as good (Though Jessica and Claire's banter was really top-notch), and of course the action scenes weren't as impressive, but I'd still give it a B+ to Daredevil's A.

But anyway, onto the positive. I liked how in his powered-up state Kilgrave starts to get purple veins and even his skin gets tinted purple when he's yelling, but I kinda wish they showed that more. It's barely noticeable. The nods to Daredevil as well as the future Defenders title were neat, and I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Simpson and the company that caused Jessica to get her powers come season 2 or Defenders.

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