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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#46276: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:12:30 AM

If you look at the news then you would have read there is an indeed a right wing radio host ranting on the Avengers during Jessica Jones. This has nothing to do with the character Trish -___-'. It's just something I pointed out because of how denizens of New York respond to the larger world around them. Just like kids dressed as Captain America as they act like well kids...

meanwhile, we have this guy who said - "Yeah, besides, I don't think Trish Walker is a right-wing talk show host. A talk show host, maybe, but not right wing, I don't think."

Yes you didn't know someone already said 8 episodes of JJ already but whenever I post such information note it's not a rumor. il send the links in advance.

and now i dont know what the hell just happened.

OKAY. back to trailer 2

edited 10th Nov '15 7:18:52 AM by xbimpy

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46277: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:15:29 AM

If you look at the news then you would have read there is an indeed a right wing radio host ranting on the Avengers during Jessica Jones.
Link, please. I haven't seen any article reveal this.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#46278: Nov 10th 2015 at 8:22:39 AM

Going back, yeah, the existence of mind controllers WOULD be insanely difficult.

Not exactly the same circumstances, but it reminds me of Edge of Tomorrow. Long story short, the main character learns that he can relive one day over and over. He tries to prove this to his unit members, even going as far as predicting every single move and line...

...and he just gets his mouth duct-taped.

Seriously, mind controllers. What kind of scientific methods would you have to use to prove them anyway? [lol]

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46279: Nov 10th 2015 at 8:33:10 AM

Especially when instead of making an army and being all obvious like Loki or Lorelei, they're being subtle just influencing people to do horrific but believable things for kicks like Kilgrave.

Most people would logically assume that his victims were just regular people that snapped.

edited 10th Nov '15 8:34:46 AM by KnownUnknown

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#46280: Nov 10th 2015 at 8:39:07 AM

I think what's especially frightening with Killgrave is the "for kicks" aspect. Someone like Loki, Lorelei, or (in the MCU) Ultron will mind control people and/or kill people as a means to an end (which is not to say that end is itself good). For Killgrave, it's an end in itself and he puts a lot of thought into controlling people in a way that hurts them and others the most.

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46281: Nov 10th 2015 at 9:12:53 AM

@alliterator. He already linked it last page

edited 10th Nov '15 9:13:46 AM by Manaic

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46282: Nov 10th 2015 at 9:18:00 AM

@alliterator. He already linked it last page
He linked two articles, none of which said anything about a right wing radio host talking about the Avengers.

edited 10th Nov '15 9:18:49 AM by alliterator

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46283: Nov 10th 2015 at 9:20:55 AM

In section 6 of the first article:

"In one scene, Jones overhears a radio with a right-wing host talking about how superheroes need to be monitored and Jones herself is very keen to not play ‘the hero’ in this world"

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46284: Nov 10th 2015 at 9:24:58 AM

That's not the same thing as what xbimby said:

Jessica Jones further expands the conflict between society and Avegeners (civil war)by having a right wing radio host dog on the lives they did not save and their negative impact within Hell's Kitchen
Where did this information come from?

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46285: Nov 10th 2015 at 9:32:42 AM

The lives they did not save part is also mentioned in that paragraph, but it doesn't specify whether it has anything to do with the radio host.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46286: Nov 10th 2015 at 9:48:34 AM

Yeah. That's why I think trying to say anything about what happens in the show before seeing it is a bad thing. This is all second-hand information and it gets conflated.

edited 10th Nov '15 9:49:12 AM by alliterator

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46287: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:03:12 AM

I don't really see a problem with it, since he linked the article he was referencing.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46288: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:04:15 AM

No, he only linked it after the fact when we asked. His original post had no link at all.

edited 10th Nov '15 10:04:25 AM by alliterator

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46289: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:06:34 AM

Well then. I don't see a problem with it as long as he links the article grin

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46290: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:11:33 AM

Because spouting information requires backing up that information. And the article linked, again, doesn't specifically back up what was written. And we won't know what actually happens in the show until November 20, because that's when it comes out — unless someone got a copy of the pilot beforehand.

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46291: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:19:59 AM

To be Frank, did you read the article? They say in the first sentence that they got early access to the first 7 episodes, so they have already seen it. Did you read it and just think they're lying about that? How would you expect them to prove it?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46292: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:28:21 AM

And the article linked, again, doesn't specifically back up what was written.
What they wrote was different from what was in the article.

edited 10th Nov '15 10:28:57 AM by alliterator

Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46293: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:34:27 AM

Yes, which is why I'm fine with it AS LONG AS they link their source. Then you can just read that and form your on opinion instead of taking their word for it. Besides the difference between what they said and what the article said is pretty minor anyway.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46294: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:43:11 AM

You seem to be ignoring my previous posts:

No, he only linked it after the fact when we asked. His original post had no link at all.

Also, stating something incorrectly is still giving incorrect information even if you provide a link.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#46295: Nov 10th 2015 at 10:45:09 AM

I don't want JK simmons back. And I think it would be a mistake. I think the guy is too old for the role. We need an actor who can be around for a while for sure. Someone in his late 50s tops.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#46297: Nov 10th 2015 at 11:08:16 AM

I think you're misunderstanding me. The post where I stated that I was fine with it as long as the source is posted is more of a general statement rather than one attributed to him. I understand that he didn't initially link them and in response was just trying to say that I'm fine with posts about shows that have not come out yet in general as long as sources are linked.

I didn't really hop in to argue about the legitimacy of his first post but to point out that he had already posted the links that you were asking for. The way you were responding, going so far to say that the article had nothing to do with a right wing radio pundit (which was factually wrong,) made it sound like you hadn't even read the article or at least hadn't read the entire thing. Which made your posts after I quoted the link sound (to me) like you were trying to save face by saying his post was still illegitimate. If that was not the case, and you were simply trying to bring attention to the fact that the pundit was never connected to the whole "lives they didn't save" statement then I apologize. That was not clear to me.

edited 10th Nov '15 11:09:31 AM by Manaic

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46298: Nov 10th 2015 at 11:18:01 AM

The post where I stated that I was fine with it as long as the source is posted is more of a general statement rather than one attributed to him.
If that's the case, then fine. But it seemed like you were defending his original post specifically without actually looking at it.

I read the article. His post connected two things that, in the article, are not connected.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#46300: Nov 10th 2015 at 11:27:50 AM

I wish I hadn't seen the second Jessica Jones Trailer...it felt like it was showing too much.


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