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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#46251: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:42:13 AM

[up] Same reason people still argue over Mike vs. Joel...it's the internet.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#46252: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:42:54 AM

And what is that?

Mike vs Joel, that is.

edited 9th Nov '15 7:43:05 AM by dRoy

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#46253: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:45:17 AM

[up] Mike Nelson and Joel Hodgson were the hosts of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Joel hosted first, left, Mike replaced him, people still argue over it.

Basically the entire internet is a mess of insanity that can not settle for anyone being "wrong" in their opinion. Someone "has" to be "right", and it drowns everything in bullshit.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#46254: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:46:05 AM

Joel Hodgson was the creator of Mystery Science Theater 3000 and its host for the first six and a half seasons.

Mike Nelson was the show's head writer from season two on and its host for the latter half of the series.

Debate over which was better on camera was THE flame war in the 1990s.

Surprisingly the fandom's really dang chill these days.

edited 9th Nov '15 7:46:26 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46255: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:46:56 AM

So that's where the term "MST" came from.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#46256: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:48:25 AM

[up][up] There's still warnings on one of the tropes pages for Mike's first MST 3 K episode instructing people to not add any examples about the "Mike vs. Joel" rivalry. So while they are undoubtedly chill, there's still those nuts out there.

[up] Yes, more or less. It's taking the MST 3 K format and riffing on fanfiction.

edited 9th Nov '15 7:48:51 AM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#46257: Nov 9th 2015 at 2:49:34 PM

Yeah, sorry about that. I just felt like letting out some steam because of some dumb Cumberbashing I saw over the new set photos, followed by a series of particularly vehement Joss Whedon hate posts over AOU, and as someone who doesn't particularly care about him or the way he tackles a lot of stuff, I still thought it was excessive and borderline violent Ron the Death Eater-ing.

Back to topic, those Doctor Strange set photos. If they're indicative of any final designs, it looks like they're changing up Mordo's design quite a lot from the comics, but are keeping some of the green at least.

edited 9th Nov '15 2:54:55 PM by AlleyOop

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46258: Nov 9th 2015 at 3:56:35 PM

And he has extremely pointy sleeves.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#46259: Nov 9th 2015 at 4:02:37 PM

Well startched extremely pointy sleeves.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#46261: Nov 9th 2015 at 6:52:59 PM

Jessica Jones further expands the conflict between society and Avegeners (civil war)by having a right wing radio host dog on the lives they did not save and their negative impact within Hell's Kitchen. Jessica declares her stance. Then there are scenes of kids dressed as Captain America, parading around. Aliens and Hulk gets mentioned. Yeah that's about it. It's all subtle like AOS and Ant Man handled the over arching lore. Now these are real events since people react in various ways to them. Directors have learned to interwine A, B, and C so that the average person can provide a respond. It's not limited to verbal responses either. Even within conversations they occur casually, being topical. Jessica Jones is the latest trend. Soon Dr. Strange will follow and so on.

But all of this really relates back to our titular heroine. The world around her won't shut up about what she's trying to stay away from. It only accumulates more baggage, which doesn't help an empath. External content to boost Jessica's chacaterzation. She claims being a superhero sucks and probably is right, but by helping underdogs, like the heroine addict Malcom, get back on their feet proves you don't need to stop an alien invasion to be super.

Avenger commit an action. New Yorkers react towards that action. Jessica reacts towards their reactions based on her persoanility.

edited 10th Nov '15 5:51:44 AM by xbimpy

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#46262: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:16:09 PM

[up] Where are you getting this from?

Oh God! Natural light!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46263: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:44:47 PM

Yeah, Jessica Jones doesn't come out until November 20th and unless you somehow saw the first episode before anyone else, I'd say that you don't know what you're talking about.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#46264: Nov 9th 2015 at 9:59:23 PM

Yeah, besides, I don't think Trish Walker is a right-wing talk show host. A talk show host, maybe, but not right wing, I don't think.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#46265: Nov 10th 2015 at 5:33:45 AM

It's called research.

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/11/7-things-we-learned-from-the-first-half-of-jessica-jones.html

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/jessica-jones-stars-are-just-trying-to-survive-marvels-darkest-tv-show-yet

Everyday I google news for live action superhero anything. For example when I first wake up I google Agents of shield. This is what I found yesterday when I typed in jessica jones. Then I asserted that information into the chacater's shoes and reflected what it means for the MCU.

Summary: the world building is becoming more organic and shows no signs of taking a step back. Jessica reflects on her fellow New Yorkers while there is an ever consistent reminder of superheroes are impractical in the form of kids playing around as Cap she can't run away from. The woman behaves pessimistic towards such a job despite her actions sometimes being just as heroic. She undermines her potential to be something greater, which corresponds with the Alias version

edited 10th Nov '15 6:13:59 AM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#46266: Nov 10th 2015 at 5:59:58 AM

ANYWAY

here's the new trailer.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46267: Nov 10th 2015 at 6:14:35 AM

[up] That line in the trailer brings up a good point about how terrifyingly difficult it would be to prove the existence of a person who could control minds, especially when people aren't already inclined to believe such things. The comics have so many mind controllers running that they once formed a gang (that didn't include Purple Man, funnily enough). The movies... not so much.

Kilgrave is the first example of just a regular person being able to do that. Loki had advanced alien weaponry and he still had to touch people with it - plus the symptoms in his case were somewhat obvious.

edited 10th Nov '15 6:15:53 AM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46268: Nov 10th 2015 at 6:23:17 AM

Plus agents of shield made a running gag out of no one believing mind control existed.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#46270: Nov 10th 2015 at 6:44:13 AM

How Kilgqlrave's powers work will be intersting because only Trish seems to notice it's partly voice of reason. The first trailer had a boy being tested on. I assume said scene alluded to his childhood.

Jessica can binge drink but doesn't appear reliant on achol nor does it effect her body horribly. She copes through achol but the cost isn't high. Just quick, cheap pleasure to feel something, which is the same as a one night stand for the orgasm

edited 10th Nov '15 7:02:09 AM by xbimpy

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#46271: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:00:13 AM

Cant wait to see what SHIELD will scoff at next.....

SHIELD Agent (to underling): "Okay. I know martial arts are good for health and circulation and all. But channeling some kind of life energy through your body to kill someone with your pinky is just some new age bullshit shilled out by so-called gurus in infomercials. Anyways, how's the Rand case coming? Any signs he's an Inhuman?"

tongue

edited 10th Nov '15 7:01:25 AM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46272: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:01:35 AM

It's called research.
Except neither of those two articles you linked said anything about Trish Walker being a "right wing" radio host or her talking about the Avengers on her show. In fact, the second article you linked isn't even about her actress, but rather three different actors.

I mean, I do research too and everything I've read hasn't been much, because they've only been slowly doling out information. And Trish (and Jeri Hogarth) have pretty much gotten the least amount of information. All we know so far is that she is a radio host and she is Jessica's friend. That's all.

Plus agents of shield made a running gag out of no one believing mind control existed.
Actually, the running gag was that psychic powers (including telepathy and clairvoyance) didn't exist. That can include, but is not limited to, mind control.

edited 10th Nov '15 7:03:04 AM by alliterator

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#46273: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:03:49 AM

Relevant point: I still don't get how some people could claim that Benedict Cumberbatch being in Doctor Strange would make the movie bad somehow.

Marginally less relevant point: Good grief, pay as much as possible to get J.K. Simmons back for the next Spider Man. You could make it a big reveal at the end of the first trailer and I bet people would go nuts for that.

Extremely irrelevant point: I like cake.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#46274: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:04:12 AM

Where did I say anything about Trish in that post? You're pulling stuff that wasn't there. If you want to argue against it then at least stick to its content rather than going off what higherbrainpattern said about Trish. Note: higherbrainpattern made a connection between Trish and my post despite me giving no details about her within said post.

edited 10th Nov '15 7:10:24 AM by xbimpy

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46275: Nov 10th 2015 at 7:06:49 AM

In this post, you talk about a right wing radio host. Trish is a radio host, therefore I assumed you were talking about her. However, if you weren't, then by all means, where are you getting your information? Because I haven't seen any articles reveal that information.

edited 10th Nov '15 7:07:01 AM by alliterator


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