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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#46226: Nov 8th 2015 at 7:57:48 PM

Keith David's also a good bet for Dormammu, if they want him to have that awesomely deep voice villain voice (Keith David for DOOM Darth Vader-style for the same reason evil grin). But I would like to see him play a role like that in person for once.

It's sad, but I think he's the last of the awesomely deep voices of my youth. No more Christopher Lee, Roscoe Lee Brown or Tony Jay...

edited 8th Nov '15 8:01:30 PM by KnownUnknown

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#46227: Nov 8th 2015 at 8:16:10 PM

I always dreamed of a Dormmamu voiced by Christopher Lee.

But, alas...

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#46228: Nov 8th 2015 at 8:18:56 PM

If he wasn't already Strange I'd pick Cumberbatch for Dormammu.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#46229: Nov 8th 2015 at 8:19:41 PM

[up] ...Could he do both? It might have some thematic value...

Oh God! Natural light!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#46230: Nov 8th 2015 at 8:29:03 PM

Who was Roscoe Lee Browne?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#46231: Nov 8th 2015 at 8:43:29 PM

If we can't get Steven Rattazzi for Strange, we should at least get him for Dormmamu.

edited 8th Nov '15 8:43:41 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#46233: Nov 8th 2015 at 9:30:46 PM

Is there a word for Ron the Death Eater with real life people? What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? is probably too broad, and more about individual works than content creators, and Yoko Ohno only covers that level of hatred when it's caused by shipping, but there's gotta be some sort of term to describe the kind of hyperbolic demonization and PIDOOMA "deep analysis" that claims to expose the dirty secret agenda of bigotry behind Joss Whedon's works as opposed to him (merely) being a mediocre filmmaker/showrunner with some convoluted and problematic execution issues.

Like the fact that he loves to use Rape as Drama combined with his tendency for protagonists who are either female, angsty, or both, apparently being "proof" he has an honest-to-god rape fetish. It's true he doesn't have a great track record on that subject, but that has more to do with him loving True Art Is Angsty and being a Trolling Creator who puts characters fans love, including male ones, through the grinder, and being tasteless, than being a Gor fan who actively gets off to abusing women like Tumblr claims, and so on. And it certainly doesn't justify announcing that you're going to come to his house and stab him if he gets considered for the Captain Marvel movie.

Likewise when people on Tumblr claim that Benedict Cumberbatch is a hidden white supremacist because he played a racist character in Twelve Years a Slave, or because he accepted the Doctor Strange role instead of turning it down so a person of color could have it. Or that one Steven Universe artist who was pushed into near-suicide because people were reading way too deeply into her drawings and were convinced she was pushing all sorts of problematic views because they didn't like how it looked.

edited 8th Nov '15 10:02:40 PM by AlleyOop

Anicomicgeek Burning MireGoji from Japan (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Burning MireGoji
#46234: Nov 8th 2015 at 9:43:44 PM

Who was Roscoe Lee Browne?

He was an actor, whose credits included being the narrator of the Babe movies, The Kingpin in Spider-Man: The Animated Series, and Francis in Oliver And Company.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#46235: Nov 8th 2015 at 9:51:18 PM

[up] Oh.

Holy shit, he was on The Cosby Show, wasn't he? I googled him, and he looks like someone that I'm pretty sure appeared on The Cosby Show.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#46236: Nov 8th 2015 at 9:57:12 PM

Or that one Steven Universe artist who was pushed into near-suicide because people were convinced she was pushing all sorts of problematic views.
What the fuck? See, this is why I don't go on Tumblr much anymore - it's an echo chamber and when someone spouts a stupid opinion, it just repeated back to them until they accept it as fact — and no one calls them out on it.

Joss Whedon has written some great things. He has also written some mediocre things. (Personally, I hated the Buffy episode "Family," which he wrote and directed. And he has done some terrible episodes of television.) But he is not a misogynist — he is quite clearly trying to put female characters front and center (he tried putting in the Wasp in Avengers and Captain Marvel in Age of Ultron before realizing neither one would work) and give them weighty plots and subplots. He also tends to break characters, especially ones he is fond of, because he thinks that in order to feel emotional about a character's death, you must feel emotional about a character. Many people hate him for this because they don't understand how fiction works.

But a "rape fetish"? Nope. There is nothing in his work that suggests that, unless you start using Insane Troll Logic, like that one person online who said that because Zoe and Wash in Firefly were a mixed-race couple, that it was "automatically rape." (Not kidding - they said that all the mixed-race couples they knew were abusive, so that were their logic. I have no fucking clue.)

Anicomicgeek Burning MireGoji from Japan (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Burning MireGoji
#46237: Nov 8th 2015 at 9:59:34 PM

Holy shit, he was on The Cosby Show, wasn't he? I googled him, and he looks like someone that I'm pretty sure appeared on The Cosby Show.

Yeah, he appeared in a couple of episodes.

Troper Wall * DeviantArt
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#46238: Nov 8th 2015 at 10:29:12 PM

Or that one Steven Universe artist who was pushed into near-suicide because people were convinced she was pushing all sorts of problematic views.

What the fuck?

Yeah, I heard about that too. There was a whole article on it. http://www.dailydot.com/geek/steven-universe-fanartist-bullied-controversy/

Screwed up man.

edited 8th Nov '15 10:31:41 PM by Guy01

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#46239: Nov 8th 2015 at 10:34:26 PM

As a general rule, I think it is important to disconnect writers and directors from their work. Do I think that Joss Whedon went horrible wrong with Black Widow in Age of Ultron? Yeah, I do, but I don't think that it was intentional. Everyone has an off-day once in a while, and I haven't forgotten that he was the one who rescued her from the scrappy heap in the first place, since I hated how she was portrayed in Iron Man 2 (though the best take on her is definitely in The Winter Soldier).

Do I believe that Edgar Wright was the wrong choice for Ant-man from the get go due to his tendency to marginalize female characters, which would in turn mean bad news for the Wasp? Yep, but that doesn't mean that I automatically think that Edgar Wright is somehow deliberately sexist, he just likes dealing with male characters better because that is more his wheelhouse (hence my conviction that we need more diversity behind the scenes to get it on the screen).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#46240: Nov 8th 2015 at 11:01:31 PM

[up][up]

Oh geez, the staff got involved too? And got flamed for promoting the controversial idea that it's wrong to be a Jerkass? Good god.

Regarding creators and Unfortunate Implications, I think it's important to remember that they're just that. Implications. If it's a recurrent pattern throughout their works then it's fine to criticize it, but that's different from ascribing a motive to them which probably isn't there unless there's reasonable evidence to believe otherwise, and which is basically intruding on a real life person's space and claiming that you, a complete stranger, know more about them than themselves. Which is pretty presumptuous to say the least. Also people need to remember Hanlon's Razor.

The converse happens a lot, too. Fans reading political views favorable to them into the smallest things their favorite actors and actresses do, basically putting them on a pedestal to feel good about the idolizing they do, or because they think you're only allowed to like them for objective reasons rather than because you just happen to like their acting, or you think they're cute, or whatever else which would be OK enough reasons to care for a normal person.

edited 9th Nov '15 12:35:15 AM by AlleyOop

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#46241: Nov 9th 2015 at 12:37:43 AM

So I rewatched Iron Man 3 and goddamn is the last battle among the coolest in MCU or whaaaaaaaahhhh, so that's what this Steven Universe thing was about.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#46242: Nov 9th 2015 at 5:11:58 AM

[up] To my knowledge, someone came up with fan art that depicted Rose Quartz (one of the more important characters in the show if you're not familiar with it, as well as one of the...bigger ones if you catch my drift) as being a thin woman and everyone gave the artist flak about it, claiming the artist to be against chunky women.

But hey, the less said about it, the better.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#46243: Nov 9th 2015 at 5:17:03 AM

Though the evidently did drive the artist to attempt suicide.

So, you know, high horses and all that.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#46244: Nov 9th 2015 at 5:29:04 AM

[up] Oh. Yeah. That did happen. But the artist did seek professional help for it.

As I said, the less you know about it, the better.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#46245: Nov 9th 2015 at 6:32:00 AM

How did we get on a discussion about Steven Universe suicide attempts in an MCU thread?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46246: Nov 9th 2015 at 6:35:13 AM

I don't know why Alley Oop did that. She likes commenting on fandom I get but Joss Whedon is at least on topic here.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#46247: Nov 9th 2015 at 6:39:47 AM

Yeah I was just like...what?

As for the Joss Whedon thing, everyone in the public sphere has a Hatedom of some degree. It's best to just ignore them if you like Whedon or whatever.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#46248: Nov 9th 2015 at 6:56:23 AM

Some hatedom is more deserved than the others, perhaps, but that really shouldn't stop your enjoyment.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#46249: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:40:01 AM

Ugh, that tumblr thing...look, as a Steven Universe fan, it just pisses me off how people can be so hypocritical. Seriously, it feels like almost every Tumblr nut is taking a page from Kankri Vantas (if anyone reads Homestuck, you'll probably get that joke).

But I'm going to save my rage for another time, and point out a post I saw saying something about "the guy who directed Mad Max is now a better feminist than Joss Whedon".

I mean...really?

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#46250: Nov 9th 2015 at 7:41:21 AM

You know. Why should anyone care about them, exactly? It's not like those are influential critics or anything.

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