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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Not many SHIELD agents have a Dark and Troubled Past with the Soviets nor the ability to fool literal gods of lies.
I mean, I don't see anybody saying that Nick Fury was in the movie only so a black guy would be in it, or that he could've been replaced by any agent.
edited 4th Nov '15 9:41:36 AM by Tuckerscreator
Black Widow is a Weak, but Skilled Guile Hero Combat Pragmatist when everybody else relies on raw (fire)power, or fills a really small niche they're not very useful outside of (Hawkeye, who got bodied in his one-on-one fight with her because she's just better). Nobody ever says the Spy from Team Fortress 2 is useless just because he doesn't do well in one-on-one missions. And not every aspect of superheroing is direct combat. Sometimes you need someone who's good with words and attacking from within, as The Winter Soldier did perfectly..
And instead of Iron Man, we could have had a brilliant engineer piloting a weaponized flight suit who speaks entirely in one liners.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So someone watched The Consultant and went, "I could start a rumor based on this!" I wonder who that could have been, HMMMM?
edited 4th Nov '15 9:49:39 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Jeez, if you don't like Black Widow, just say "I don't like Black Widow," don't make up reasons, especially ones that make no sense.
Not to mention, her role being "resident SHIELD Agent" is arguably the point: she's the Team superspy. She brings guile, covert tactics and especially gaming the enemy / intelligence gathering to the fold - skills which are often essential and which ideally none of the others should be very good at.
In Avengers 1 we see this with her being the one to interrogate Loki, and in her being the one to figure out how to close the portal. In Ultron, Whedon apparently forget that and made her more of a Captain America-esque / beating up armies of thugs on the frontline sort of character. He did the same thing with Hawkeye.
Perhaps he thought outside the context of SHIELD Widow shouldn't act like a spy any more or something, but imo it didn't work.
edited 4th Nov '15 9:55:24 AM by KnownUnknown
She was doing pretty alright against a horde of Chitauri and then Ultron robots. She can be plenty frontline. And if she's not, who cares? Her entire schtick is about spying and sneak attacks. Hawkeye isn't exactly front-line either. Insisting every Avenger be a frontliner is ridiculous. It's like when people were claiming Captain America was "useless" merely because he wasn't quite as strong as Thor or Iron Man.
edited 4th Nov '15 10:10:36 AM by alliterator
In the comics, Widow's a super-soldier spy just like Fury. She's been around for decades and can fill a variety of different roles if she needs to be. Who's to say that she can't be on the front lines?
Listen, just admit you don't like Black Widow, but don't give reasons why Black Widow shouldn't be in the films that are completely bullshit.
edited 4th Nov '15 10:15:07 AM by higherbrainpattern
Honestly, who is spreading those rumors? I mean, I can actually see them putting Iron Fist's origin story in a movie, simply because I wondered how Netflix plans to juggle all those shows with only two release dates every year. But replacing it with a punisher show? We haven't even seen Punisher on screen yet.
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I think it's going from the idea that Marvel considered having Iron Fist in a movie/potentially had problems casting him in a show to the fact that the Punisher is showing up in Daredevil- ergo, the Punisher will be one of the Defenders.
Besides the iffy logic, I can't really see him being on the team. The Punisher is not a team player and can't really see the others wanting him on their team. I mean I could definitely see Murdoch, Jones, or Cage letting the odd Sympathetic Murderer go, but actively working on a team with a guy who goes around killing people?
edited 4th Nov '15 10:41:15 AM by Hodor2
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I have a feeling any team up between the Punisher and the other Defenders will be a Godzilla Threshold situation. He won't actually formally be a Defender by any practical definition.
edited 4th Nov '15 10:54:00 AM by Falrinn
You're assuming there's gonna be such a thing as being "formally" a Defender. It's entirely possible that the characters never actually decide to become a group and call themselves the Defenders; they just all happen to get involved in the same plotline at the same time, and once it's resolved, they go their separate ways.

Hmm. Do you have any evidence? Proof, maybe? No?