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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Winter Soldier also knew which villains deserved to be minor. Before the film came out, few were demanding that Batroc have more screentime or be the Big Bad of a film. The general reaction to the announcement was: "Batroc? Really?"
edited 2nd Nov '15 5:17:17 PM by Tuckerscreator
Integrating the villains with each other, rather than having multiple disparate plots for them, is something that the MCU has been pretty good about since the beginning.
- Iron Man — The Ten Rings were in bed with Stane
- The Incredible Hulk — Blonsky answered to General Ross (who wasn't a straight-up villain, but is an antagonistic figure)
- Iron Man 2 — Justin Hammer tries to use Vanko for his own purposes (and Vanko succeeds in doing the reverse)
- Thor — Loki is working with the Frost Giants
- Captain America: The First Avenger — Arnim Zola is Red Skull's lackey
- The Avengers — Loki gets command of the Chitauri because he's working for Thanos
- Iron Man 3 — All the villains are part of Killian's Extremis plot
- Thor: The Dark World — Kurse is Malekith's lieutenant; Loki's involvement in the plot is mostly as an ally, since his betrayal isn't relevant to this movie
- Captain America: The Winter Soldier — Fricking everyone is HYDRA, most notably Lumlow; Winter Soldier is their attack dog; Pierce is at their head; Batroc is the first villain so far who isn't directly connected to the main antagonist, but he's ultimately revealed to be a feint by Fury
- Guardians of the Galaxy — Ronan is partnered with Thanos, Korath works for Ronan, and Nebula works for Thanos
- Avengers: Age of Ultron — Is actually the worst at this so far. Strucker is a Starter Villain unconnected to the main plot, and Klaue is an Early-Bird Cameo. Ultron has the Maximoff twins working for him for a while, but he's otherwise pretty autonomous
- Ant-Man — Cross is pretty much the only villain; he tries to sell the Yellowjacket to HYDRA, but they're not directly a threat to Scott, Hope, and Hank.
edited 2nd Nov '15 5:40:32 PM by BadWolf21
I wouldn't necessarily consider the movies in which the villains have prominent minions (like Iron Man 3) as necessarily having multiple villains - since ultimately those characters are just extensions of the main villain's will and don't have much active part of their own.
For example, I'd consider Ronan, Thanos and maybe Nebula as being the main villains of Guardians of the Galaxy, but I wouldn't include Korath in that list.
Also, looking at it all laid out like that the MCU really does like having one villain be the patsy of the true Big Bad, doesn't it?
edited 2nd Nov '15 5:56:18 PM by KnownUnknown
Yeah, Parallax is a good example of what NOT to do with Dormammu.
Red Skull works fine as a first-movie villain since he's just a deformed Nazi who doesn't need development, and his powerset is the same as the hero's. So does Loki because while he has backstory and a unique powerset, his development and plot is directly tied to Thor's "origin story" so the two plots aren't competing for space. Cross is basically Red Skull 2.0, minus the deformed Nazi part.
Dormammu, meanwhile, needs build-up. Lots and lots of buildup. He's one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe with direct ties to several lesser villains like Mordo, and while he's not exactly the deepest in terms of characterization he's not some flat dictator either. He simply cannot share a film with both Strange's origin story AND whatever plot Mordo is running, at least not without surviving for the sequel.
If I were in charge I'd let Mordo (Or whoever they make the human villain) be the Big Bad of the film, and explain that he's invoking the forbidden power of Dormammu, but leave Dormy himself as the Greater-Scope Villain. Maybe have a "Fine, I'll do it myself!"-esque stinger setting up his personal involvement for the sequel.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!They should probably treat Dormammu in a manner akin to how they're treating Thanos.
Though whether the series should end with Dormammu (and thus have two movies leading up to him) or end with someone even bigger than Dormammu (and thus have the first movie lead-in to Dormammu, and the second movie have a fight with Dormammu only to twist us with even greater demonic/extradimensional foreshadowing) could really go either way.
edited 2nd Nov '15 6:06:57 PM by KnownUnknown
Oh, Iron Man 3 is definitely a movie with only one villain track going on. Which is why no one else is named there. Everyone is working for the Mandarin, and the movie never tries to convince you otherwise. Compare to Iron Man, where the Ten Rings were always involved with Stane, but they're presented as a separate threat until you find that out.
I tended to split it just based on who is a supervillain in the source material. Which is why Kurse is mentioned even though he's never presented as a separate entity from Malekith with his own plot, and why Korath makes the list despite mainly existing to give Drax someone to fight in the climax.
edited 2nd Nov '15 6:14:03 PM by BadWolf21
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If Dormammu were saved for the grand finale third film, who would be the villain of the second one?
Or would it just be an Interim Villain?
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Umar comes to mind, since she would be a good step between enemies of Mordo's level and Dormammu himself, as well as being an more direct introduction to the Dark Dimension.
I'm still pulling for Dormammu being the midway point to an even stronger evil (we're all rooting for you, Shuma), but him being the Big Bad of the whole trilogy is still a good possibility.
edited 2nd Nov '15 6:21:36 PM by KnownUnknown
The Fear Lords.
Mephisto would be a good third-movie villain if they do Dormammu in Doctor Strange 2. I think we can be reasonably sure that Marvel has the rights, since they basically did him in Ghost Rider (he had a slightly different name), which they got back.
edited 2nd Nov '15 6:22:43 PM by BadWolf21
In the Ghost Rider film he was Mephisto yeah, they just used his full mythological name, Mephistopheles.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."In winter soldier have many villians but they work as whole, they where "HYDRA" with the same goal from the star while most of the time the movies have many "name" villians as team with all that implies.
Also Iron man 2 is not a good example because Vanko is barely there and Justin Hammer is just petty antagonist and everybody know it, in Ultron the twins did most of the damage for Ultron while his time to shine was....awfull.
So as long the minor villian work under a same goal everything will be OK
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"It works the most easily with non-powered villains, since it's pretty simple to turn them into regular old henchmen or Bit-Part Bad Guys.
At this point in its life, I feel like the MCU ought to be allowed to bring in superpowered villains without needing to explain where they got their powers from. The Ultimate Spider-Man comics did that with Rhino and Electro, and it worked just fine. Superhumans exist in this setting, we get it. We don't need twenty minutes of screentime to justify why a guy can shoot lightning from his hands. We know it's because of some sciencey thing.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.http://www.superheronation.com/2009/07/17/writing-villains-vs-writing-heroes/![]()
edited 3rd Nov '15 6:23:37 AM by xbimpy
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Oh, I'm not saying the main antagonist should have zero character development. It's just that we don't need twenty minutes of backstory for a character who basically amounts to a Mook. *cough cough* ASM2 *cough*
It really depends on the villain, and this also gets back into the thing about narrative focus. Electro's origins wouldn't have been problematic if the movie had been about him. If the conflict was driven by the character we saw in the beginning and the events that unfolded to him in Oscorp. If this had been a movie about a lonely doormat pushed too far.
But it ALSO had to be a movie about the Green Goblin's origins, AND a movie about the Rhino's origins, AND a movie about what happened to Peter's dad, AND a rom-com about Peter and Gwen's on-again off-again wackiness. The problem wasn't Electro's origins, the problem was that we spent so much screentime on his origins only to shove him into the background for the rest of the film. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was not a movie, it was four movies thrown into a pile, wrestling for screentime.
edited 3rd Nov '15 7:44:58 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Someone summed up my feelings quite well by saying the Green Goblin was entirely unnecessary to the story and his character arc made no sense. Harry shows up as Peter's never before seen or mentioned best friend and then ends up trying to kill him like 8 seconds later.
edited 3rd Nov '15 9:06:54 AM by comicwriter
Electro and Green Goblin both related back to Spiderman, him being their driving motivation to villainy, but Rhino was simply tacked on for the third movie. he didnt have an origin because he was the same character all throughout. the only difference is at the end he was in a suit. there was no build up to anything since the third movie never released.
Rhino: i have guns and im a criminal who ends up in jail. i have a mech and im a criminal who ends up in jail. THE END!
not what i call an origin. hes just one of many mad men roaming the streets of new york to give spiderman a reason to kickass. this is the norm in comics. cant go two feet without Scorpion robbing a bank while Vulture torments people inside a business building across the street. the director wanted to capture that, but without doing any hard work to have everyone already be established within the sandbox.
and even at the end scene, rhino was put on screen to let Spiderman's idealism shine through. To show that even a normal person can stand up to the big bad wolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02S6ucfp1sU
. the director redictered his purpose back to the main character, so the focus was never put on him. He was just there thats all.
meanwhile the other two could have received less screen time or given more focus on their plot progressing purpose
edited 3rd Nov '15 10:40:34 AM by xbimpy
oh the Equalizer has an excellent soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GT9wxhMyt0
if they make a Punisher show i want something similar. its not too post apocalyptic sounding like the Purge or Dredd nor too loud on the emotional spectrum like Hanz Zimmer
Rhino doesn't need an origin story at all. He's probably the most generic Mook in Spider-Man's entire rogues gallery. In fact, Rhino was probably the only villain in ASM 2 that was handled perfectly. He's just there to show that Spider-Man spends his free time fighting bad guys. That's it. No dead wife or sick daughter or whatever. Just a stock bad guy for Spidey to punch.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.

So it ends up being a mess, when it really shouldn't have to be.
edited 2nd Nov '15 3:36:43 PM by KnownUnknown