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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45926: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:36:59 PM

Nicodemus West's only appearance was in Doctor Strange: The Oath, which is interesting. Makes sense if Rachel McAdams is going to play the Night Nurse, because she appears in that story, too.

[up]They don't have Wong? I didn't know that.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:38:11 PM by alliterator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45927: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:45:22 PM

We don't know yet, but they've been completely silent on casting for him, and there's the whole issue of the character's Unfortunate Implications that are not impossible but tricky to avoid.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45928: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:47:20 PM

He was also pretty great in A Serious Man

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[up]I think he will be there. We don't have anything close to a full cast list right now, and given Marvel's newfound love of the Asian box office, Wong could easily be fixed. That's just leaving money off the table to exclude him.

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#45929: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:54:03 PM

It shouldn't be too hard. They could easily remove the manservant aspect of his character and focus more on him being Strange's partner.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:54:15 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#45930: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:59:42 PM

Some adaptations have sidestepped the manservant issue by making him Strange's instructor.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45931: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:00:30 PM

Perhaps then Baron Mordo is taking Wong's place?

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45932: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:02:55 PM

Black servant instead of Asian one. That's so much better (sorry, couldn't resist).

But yes, I'd imagine that if Wong is there, he'll be Strange's instructor and not his servant.

Also, the news about West makes me think that Mordo might be like Sinestro was in the Green Lantern film- i.e. an ally who the audience knows will become the Big Bad but isn't yet.

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#45933: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:04:24 PM

But if Mordo isn't the villain, who is? I don't think they can throw Strange up against Dormammammammammammammammammu this early in the game.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45934: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:04:28 PM

Black servant instead of Asian one. That's so much better (sorry, couldn't resist).
I meant in the instructor role.

But actually, the more I see the cast list, the more I think that there's going to probably be some part of the movie where Strange is learning magic with other students of the Ancient One (those being Mordo and West). So having Wong be his teacher might work out well.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45935: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:06:23 PM

[up][up]

Well, I was thinking West based on his role in that comic. Iron Man 3 might be another good comparison for adaptation choices- so like the movie sort of adapts a comic but is a bit fast and loose in its presentation of the comic's antagonists. So potentially both West and Mordo?

[up] Edit- Ah. I see. I thought you were suggesting him as a servant as joke/sarcastically. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he at least starts out as an ally.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:14:07 PM by Hodor2

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#45936: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:11:13 PM

Some adaptations have sidestepped the manservant issue by making him Strange's instructor.

Really? Which ones?

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:11:26 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#45938: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:32:38 PM

The Hollywood Reporter lists Mads Mikkelsen as part of the cast, and he was rumored to be in talks for a villain role a few months ago.

So Mordo could just be The Dragon for the real Big Bad.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45939: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:34:27 PM

I'm still hoping that Mads Mikkelsen is playing Doctor Doom.

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#45940: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:36:53 PM

Wouldn't Dormammu be a better choice?

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45941: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:37:53 PM

[up][up] You mean the character that it would actually be illegal to put in the movie?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45942: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:39:25 PM

Pfft, hey, if Fox can make X-Men TV shows, they can surely spare Doom for one movie.

Wouldn't Dormammu be a better choice?
Dormammu's head is a big old ball of flame, though. If I had to give a real guess, I would say that he's playing Nightmare, which seems to be a better fit for him.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:40:06 PM by alliterator

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#45943: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:42:24 PM

I believe you mean    THE DREAD DORMAMMU   

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45944: Nov 2nd 2015 at 1:47:05 PM

Alternatively, Nicodemus West could only be in the movie for the scene where he's operating on Strange's hands, and they'll save The Oath for the sequel. Since Joblo's rumors were that Mordo and Dormammu were the co-Big Bads of the film and they've been 95% right on everything else so far.

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#45945: Nov 2nd 2015 at 2:44:43 PM

For Doom, his association with Iron Man, Doctor Strange, and the Avengers might make it possible to strike a deal similar to Quicksilver's, but I don't see it. As much as he is a villain in many other Marvel comics, he's never actually stopped being a Fantastic Four villain either.

edited 2nd Nov '15 2:44:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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#45946: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:03:23 PM

I'm kinda hoping Dormy isn't the Big Bad of this film. I don't want to see him suffer from First Movie Villain Syndrome like Red Skull, Ronan, and Cross.

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#45947: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:05:21 PM

Same. Let's use one of the worst superhero movies to come out in recent history as a reference point here: do not make Dormammu into Parallax, an ostensibly unstoppable cosmic entity with insufficient time to really flex his cosmic muscles, resulting in an overhyped and ultimately disappointing flop of a character.

Dormammu is the kind of villain you build up to in a film that has sufficient time to establish his threat because half of its screentime doesn't have to be dedicated to establishing the hero first.

edited 2nd Nov '15 3:06:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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#45948: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:18:14 PM

I can see Mordo as The Heavy, and Dormammu as the Bigger Bad. I wonder if we could squeeze Umar in as a third party...

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#45949: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:23:24 PM

Winter Soldier has taught me that we can squeeze as many minor villains in as we damned well please so long as the film has a single unified narrative. None of that, "Two or three villains each with his own plans and motive and goals, each working independently of the other until they finally team up for the climax," shtick that so many superhero movies have failed at.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#45950: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:33:00 PM

As long as the Villains are all working together (knowingly or unknowingly) You can have as many as you like.

But the joy of Strange's rogue's gallery is watching them enact their petty squabbles with each other.


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