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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45901: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:28:10 AM

[up]In all fairness, the idea of an elderly Iron Man isn't that far-fetched. The suit tends to be way stronger and more durable than the person inside, so even an over-the-hill Tony can still be pretty effective with that thing on. At most, all he would need to do is add newer and better safety measures to ease the strain on the pilot when flying at supersonic speed or absorbing impacts.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:35:16 AM by nervmeister

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#45902: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:31:32 AM

The easiest way to retain Tony's inability to comprehend magic is just to not write Tony as an Omnidisciplinary Scientist. Science is a mindset, not a substance. It's a way of approaching the unexplained. It doesn't always yield positive results, especially when dealing with the fantastic, because there are certain knowledge requirements to obtaining new knowledge. You can't just leap from "Car goes beep when you press the button on the wheel" to quantum physics.

As was already noted, the groundwork's been laid by his frustration with Mjolnir. Mjolnir's enchantment is not inherently unexplainable; I'm sure Odin knows exactly what he did when he put it there. It's that Tony lacks the experience, knowledge, and practical study in this particular field to be able to identify the process.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:37:22 AM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45903: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:36:43 AM

Yeah, should have been clearer about this and sorry for going on a tangent/rant.

But yes, it's the combination of magic being science and Tony being presented as knowing everything about every area of science. Also, thinking about, while I have some problems with him being able to analyze/replicate magic items (depending on the circumstance) that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be able to do magic- it's the difference between making a circuit with wires and harassing electricity from your body.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:40:34 AM by Hodor2

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#45904: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:39:48 AM

I wouldn't say he is.

In addition to his consternation with Mjolnir, see also: the first Avengers movie, when Tony observes that the amount of gamma radiation Banner was exposed to should have killed him. He speculates that somehow the Hulk protected Banner but that's a Voodoo Shark and does nothing to explain where the Hulk came from. To the extent of Tony's knowledge, it is not possible for Banner to be alive today and working with him.

He also misjudged Loki's staff, assuming it was just a super-cool alien AI and completely missing the existence of the Mind Gem powering it. Ultron calls this out when he breaks the staff to put the Gem in Vision.

Tony's a brilliant engineer but there are limits to his scientific acumen.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:40:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#45905: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:41:10 AM

Um, doesn't anyone want to talk about the rumor that we might not get an Iron Fist series on Netflix?

Preferably with a response along the lines of "Wait, WHAT?!"?

I mean, I get it's a rumor, but still, they've already planted Iron Fist seeds in Daredevil, haven't they? Namely with Madame Gao, the hinting of K'unn L'unn, and the Steel Serpent? 0_0

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#45906: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:42:26 AM

Official Announcement: There will be an Iron Fist series.

Rumor: Hey guys, maybe they won't make it.

Let me know when there's something a bit more substantial than a rumor to conflict with the official story. All it takes to start a rumor is someone going, "I bet this will happen."

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45907: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:42:47 AM

[up][up]Oh yeah, that's bad. Also wondering where that leaves the Defenders- I mean I take it the Punisher is (according to rumor) going to get a series instead of Iron Fist- not that the Punisher is going to end up as a member of the Defenders, right?

[up] But as you say, keep your saltshaker ready.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:43:17 AM by Hodor2

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45908: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:45:00 AM

If Iron Fist got cancelled because all the awesome martial arts choreographers were booked by other shows/movies, then I wouldn't be too offended.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#45909: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:49:44 AM

Devin from Birth Movie Death started the rumor that Iron Fist was canceled first. I said bullshit because his reason was that Marvel was hesitant, confused, and scared of going into the wackier "magical" wuxia side. This was the same person who ranted on Daredevil because it wasn't fantastical enough. Then suddenly sites like Bleeding Cool reported similar things. And now it turned into a movie by this new guy, meanwhile Punisher takes over his spot on the Defenders. None of these people can confirm their sources nor give any evidence.

Me. I'm waiting for word of god

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:51:48 AM by xbimpy

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#45910: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:51:35 AM

That's probably because their sources are that first guy who said it. This sounds like a typical speculation snowball. One guy goes, "I think they're gonna do this." The next guy goes, "That guy said they're gonna do this! You know, if they do, it would make sense to do that too." Third guy goes, "That guy said they're doing both THIS and THAT. You know what else would make sense...."

The internet has a bad habit of imitating that Gossiping Housewives stereotype from the '50's, frequently taking each other's speculation as confirmed fact.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:52:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#45911: Nov 2nd 2015 at 9:53:04 AM

There's really no big news about the MCU right now, so a lot of people are making stuff up. Hungry for everything, which is how movie pilot works.

edited 2nd Nov '15 9:59:54 AM by xbimpy

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#45912: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:05:38 AM

I really want to see Iron Fist happen. Giving Punisher his own series eventually would be great, that would be awesome! I just want Iron Fist's series to happen first.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45913: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:08:52 AM

New rumor: they are replacing Iron Fist, but not with Punisher or Moon Knight. Nope, it's going to be a new dark, gritty Netflix series about Slapstick!

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#45914: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:11:54 AM

[up] Watch it end up being true [lol]

Crow: There's a plot?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45915: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:28:48 AM

I only discuss stuff which comes from the Hollywood reporter. Or Marvel itself.

We could discuss the new motion poster of Killgrave.

edited 2nd Nov '15 10:29:13 AM by Swanpride

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#45916: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:29:49 AM

I... honestly don't get the fuss.

If that rumor is true, which is a pretty big if, it doesn't say that Iron Fist isn't going to be part of the MCU. If that rumor is true, he's just getting a movie instead. Don't really see where that's so horrible.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45917: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:43:32 AM

Because it's a unsubstantiated rumor that has no source. It's just "Hey, guys, what about this thing that is probably made up?"

Plus, there have already been tons of rumors about the Iron Fist series, with none of them being true so far.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45918: Nov 2nd 2015 at 10:59:58 AM

OT, but on the science versus magic thing I get a kick out of Overdrive, one of the (five members of) the Sinister Six in Superior Foes of Spider-Man. He has this power (via "nanobacteria"), given to him by Mr. Negative that lets him change any vehicle/anything with wheels. And this entails creating new matter (i.e. turning a wheelbarrow into a giant, mechanized backhoe).

There's some effort at explaining the energy (i.e. he's impotent after using his powers; the things he modifies revert if he steps away from them) but my reaction is pretty much "this is totally magic". I mean it's basically alchemy from Fullmetal Alchemist (but without the Equivalent Exchange).

edited 2nd Nov '15 11:00:35 AM by Hodor2

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45919: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:15:58 PM

Nanobacteria eh? That's close to combining the two worst forms of Metal Gear Applied Phlebotinum at the same time.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45920: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:20:27 PM

After I posted, it struck me (going back to Iron Man) that that explanation is oddly similar to the Extremis Virus- with the difference of allowing modification of external matter rather than one's own body.

And in both cases, the First and Second Laws of the Therodynamics say hi.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45921: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:23:39 PM

Michael Stuhlbarg (who I've never heard of before today) is in talks for Doctor Strange. He's up for the Nicodemus West role.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:24:02 PM by comicwriter

konkarne Eva Pilot from Strawberry Fields Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#45922: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:24:41 PM

Edit, never mind. I didn't read the post fully.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:25:04 PM by konkarne

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45923: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:28:46 PM

Cool news. Stuhlbarg was great in Boardwalk Empire. He's good at (sometimes evil) pensive intellectual types.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45925: Nov 2nd 2015 at 12:35:55 PM

Oh snap, so it looks like they're jumping straight for The Oath. Good choice, although I'm not sure how it will work if they don't have Wong.


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