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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Dammit, no! I'm tired of seeing other heroes' biggest villains cheat on them with Tony Stark.
Doom has been fighting Iron Man since the 80's so the ship has already sailed on that one. He and Black Panther are basically the only people other than Reed Richards Doom considers Worthy Opponents.
How about instead they make him a temporary enemy/rival for Dr. Strange until Marvel get the rights back for FF. This can be early in Doom's career when he's focusing more on magic before moving on (or back) to science.
For christ sakes, Doom has suffered enough at the hands of Story and now Trank. Subjecting him to the "Iron Man Villain Curse" on top of it all is a whole nother level of just-plain-sick.
edited 2nd Nov '15 8:04:44 AM by nervmeister
Honestly, the only reason Iron Monger worked for me is Jeff Bridges' sheer charisma, combined with the novelty of casting The Dude as a Corrupt Corporate Executive.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.By sticking to the parts of his origin that don't require the presence of RIIIIICHAAAAARDS.
He's the sovereign ruler of Latveria. He's a master of both science and sorcery. His mother sold her soul to Mephisto which motivated him to attend college and try to build a device that would allow him to enter Hell and rescue her. This device blew up in his face and scarred him.
Reed's involvement with Doom is that he crunched the numbers on Doom's dimensional transporter and tried to warn Doom the math was off, and Doom didn't listen. Then Doom blamed Reed when it didn't work, setting off their long vendetta. Reed is not necessary for the origin of Doom, just for the tiny sliver of origin that explains Doom's vendetta against Reed - a plot point that can't exist anyway if they can't use Reed.
Like Norman Osborn and Spider-Man, many adaptations have gone out of their way to try and tie Doom's origins to the Fantastic Four's so as to create a stronger antagonistic relationship between the two, but they're actually pretty unrelated except for that one brief moment where they intersected.
edited 2nd Nov '15 8:38:10 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Something I was thinking the other day which was sort of behind my Tony post:
So, I think one problem (or at least I see it as such) with the MCU's approach that magic is science is that since Tony knows everything there is to know about science, there's nothing that he can't explain. Like the great scene of him vainly trying to explain Mjölnir scientifically is kind of undercut by the fact that he basically does explain Loki/Thanos' staff scientifically.
Tony is supposed to be an Agent Scully and not able to explain magic (Earths Mightiest Heroes did great with this and I can see it in the new Iron Man comic series regarding Doom). Tony in those situations reminds me of something along the lines of our great page quote for Flat-Earth Atheist:
"It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the Disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows."
But when magic is science, you lose that and Tony is always the smartest guy in the room.
edited 2nd Nov '15 8:49:20 AM by Hodor2
Obligatory "grain of salt"
alert but it's rumored Netflix may be swapping out Iron Fist for a Punisher series spun-off from Daredevil.
It is one thing to exchange a side character nobody cared about (and let's be honest here, I didn't even notice that they replaced some of those actors) or the lead of a movie which didn't really resonate with the audience, or replacing the actor which kicked off the whole MCU. Plus, there is really no need to keep Iron Man around no matter what. They have so many other heroes now. Replacing the Hulk made sense because he was kind of needed for the Avengers, but with Iron Man they can give him a proper good-bye.
The fundamental problem with the idea that "Magic should be inherently unexplainable" is that magic is explained all the time, it's just done so by sorcerers instead of by scientists. Anyone who can create a new spell has to understand how magic works at least to a certain extent. A wizard is just an engineer who specializes in fantastic physics rather than mundane ones.
To even be able to learn magic requires magic effects to be reproducible. If magic was truly uncertain, unexplainable, and unknowable, then there would be no Sorcerer Supreme because there would be no such thing as sorcery. It would just be a background force producing seemingly random effects at seemingly random intervals.
edited 2nd Nov '15 8:54:42 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Swanpride: As I've said before, that may work with some of their heroes, but I don't think Marvel will ever be willing to let go of the character that launched the biggest film franchise of all time.
The third biggest film franchise of all time has had the main character played by six different guys over the course of more than 50 years at this point. I don't think recasting Iron Man would be that big an issue.
edited 2nd Nov '15 8:58:14 AM by BadWolf21
@Tobias-
That's a fair point. But I think it's a problem to lose that aspect of Tony not being able to explain (let alone reproduce) any act of magic. Because as it is now, I wouldn't be all that surprised if he eventually hacked into Mjölnir.
I think it's one thing to show magical forces harnassed in a semi-scientific way and for example, I also like how the author Max Gladstone tackles the magic as science issue
. Basically, it's more "science is magic" than "magic is science".
However, where I have a problem is when this goes a step further and it's presented in the sense that your hardest of hard science person on Earth could do magic at the drop of a hat.
Probably.
I guess a more simple way of putting it is that when Strange/Doom/etc do magic, I'm fine with Tony handwaving it as themjust manipulating manner on a quantum level (or some technobabble to that effect). Where I have a problem is Tony then being able to replicate that magic because he's just that good.
