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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#45851: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:40:29 PM

They might have read the comics if their main impression of Cap is "'MURICA FUCK YEAH".

The Ultimate Marvel comics, to be specific.

Never go full Ultimates, guys.

This place is careless.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45853: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:00:47 PM

[up]And some people don't get that that scene is especially powerful given that it was written in the 80's, when there was a much greater societal acceptance for outrageous acts of homophobia.

And this scene, which quite expertly sums up Steve as a character. "I'm loyal to nothing except the dream."

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45854: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:07:30 PM

Steve is generally portrayed as a liberal so it always amuses me when people complain about these sorts of things.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45855: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:41:46 PM

There was actually a pretty good piece on IGN recently about how Cap should be political, and the two issues of the All-New All-Different series have done more to distinguish Sam's Cap from Steve's than the entire preceding year's worth of stories.

Here it is, for anyone interested.

edited 1st Nov '15 5:54:19 PM by BadWolf21

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45856: Nov 1st 2015 at 6:00:20 PM

There's also the fact that his first cover appearance had him punching out Hitler...a year before the US entered World War II. At the same time that there was still a lot of support for Germany in America. A cover which got them threats.

So yeah, Captain America has always been political.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45857: Nov 1st 2015 at 6:00:39 PM

[up] Mentioned in the article I posted.

Also funny? That's the example that Tucker Carlson went to for the "good old days when Captain America wasn't political." Like...I'm not even sure if Fox cynically twists everything to suit their own worldview, or if they legitimately believe what they say. And I can't decide which option is scarier.

edited 1st Nov '15 6:02:16 PM by BadWolf21

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#45858: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:27:02 PM

I'm going to guess that, today, most Americans, Fox News or otherwise, wouldn't see punching out Hitler as a political statement. People don't know history, and just see it as Cap punching one of the universal bad guys.

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Darling.
#45859: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:33:16 PM

I have nothing to add, but I'll say that Tom Holland looks dead on.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45860: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:48:11 PM

[up][up] That's the point. That a "journalist" either didn't think to do any research before presenting his opinion piece on the air, or did, realized he was wrong, and ignored it to better make his point.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45861: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:52:47 PM

The thing is, they aren't journalists. They are "pundits." Therefore, they don't have to research anything or even present anything correctly — they just say it's their "opinion" and they don't have to do anything else.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45862: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:00:20 PM

Hence the whole Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990 joke.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#45864: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:26:24 PM
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45865: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:36:00 PM

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Did Glenn Beck Rape And Murder A Young Girl In 1990 is an Internet hoax and grassroots smear campaign which began as the satirical website Glenn Beck Raped And Murdered A Young Girl In 1990.com in September of 2009. The hoax began as a parody of public perception of Glenn Beck’s over-the-top interview antics on his self-titled television show Glenn Beck, wherein he frequently asks his guests to disprove highly speculative and often outrageous assertions.

As a pundit, since it's just his "opinion", and since he usually presents it as "I'm not saying you did X, but..." he thinks he gets to be above the kind of standards of objectivity journalists are expected to behave with. A certain video game commentator I'm an on-off fan of unfortunately uses that same excuse whenever his claims get held up to scrutiny.

edited 1st Nov '15 8:38:10 PM by AlleyOop

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45866: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:41:28 PM

Okay, this is getting into weird and uncomfortable territory, so I suggest we drop it for something more immediately relevant.

If Marvel got back the rights to the Fantastic Four characters, and didn't do an FF movie, which hero would you want to see Doom be a villain for? "Avengers" is a valid answer.

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#45867: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:49:48 PM

I'd personally go with Black Panther. He'd make for an interesting counterpart for T'Challa, since they're both rulers who ultimately want what's best for their respective nations, but have completely different ways of going about it.

Failing that, I suppose Iron Man would have to do. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45868: Nov 1st 2015 at 9:13:53 PM

Depending on how they're done, Doom could be an effective solo antagonist for nearly all of them - politically, he makes a good contrasts for Panther. Technologically he can match Iron Man, while at the same time his mindset of superiority could work as a dark reflection of Tony's. He's definitely got enough megalomaniacal dictator in him to work for Cap, and likewise a movie in which Black Widow and/or Hawkeye have to infiltrate Latveria would be freaking awesome - any of the heroes involved in the military could face him on those terms as well.

Banner, Wanda and Vision are the only ones I can think of where a plot doesn't seem to pop into mind immediately.

I think a universe/teamup-but-not-necessarily-Avengers movie would be best for him, though.

edited 1st Nov '15 9:14:09 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45869: Nov 1st 2015 at 10:52:00 PM

I have heart that there is supposedly a really good Dr. Strange story in which he and Dr. Doom work together. I am a sucker for heroes working together with villains.

But if Marvel gets the rights, I hope the first thing they do is a Silver Surfer origin movie. His story is so heart-breaking.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#45870: Nov 1st 2015 at 11:56:35 PM

[up] If by "really good Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom story", you mean "Strange and Doom fight the forces of Hell and it's drawn by Mike Mignola and it's awesome", then yes.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#45871: Nov 2nd 2015 at 4:59:18 AM

Yeah, I have that. "Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom: Trials and Torment."

Here's an interesting interpretation of the Strange/Doom relationship. Basically, unlike Doom's relationship with every other hero, Doom and Strange have a semi-working relationship. It could change, of course, depending on what either one wants, but they aren't necessarily enemies.

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#45872: Nov 2nd 2015 at 5:28:54 AM

The problem with Doom is how do you create him? Doom works for a lot of heroes but the Fantastic four is the lynchpin of his origin and the foundation of his character is THE ACCURSED RICHAAAAAAAAAARDS!

My various fanfics.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#45873: Nov 2nd 2015 at 6:18:04 AM

And Fox has proven twice already that they couldn't keep him faithful to the source material if it bashed all of their skulls in with a crowbar.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45874: Nov 2nd 2015 at 6:19:08 AM

[up][up]Iron Man Armored Adventures did give him a rather decent origin independent of the FF (or any Marvel heroes for that matter). Not saying he should be an Iron Man villain BTW, so dont get the wrong idea. -growl-

edited 2nd Nov '15 6:25:26 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45875: Nov 2nd 2015 at 6:24:41 AM

Doom would work best as an Iron Man villain in the context of the MCU. It's way too soon to do another FF reboot even if Fox gives back the rights, and actually giving Doom his fucking Powered Armor (which they didn't do with either of the previous movie attempts) would be the perfect way to differentiate him.

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