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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
And some people don't get that that scene is especially powerful given that it was written in the 80's, when there was a much greater societal acceptance for outrageous acts of homophobia.
And this scene, which quite expertly sums up Steve as a character
. "I'm loyal to nothing except the dream."
There was actually a pretty good piece on IGN recently about how Cap should be political, and the two issues of the All-New All-Different series have done more to distinguish Sam's Cap from Steve's than the entire preceding year's worth of stories.
Here it is, for anyone interested.
edited 1st Nov '15 5:54:19 PM by BadWolf21
Mentioned in the article I posted.
Also funny? That's the example that Tucker Carlson went to for the "good old days when Captain America wasn't political." Like...I'm not even sure if Fox cynically twists everything to suit their own worldview, or if they legitimately believe what they say. And I can't decide which option is scarier.
edited 1st Nov '15 6:02:16 PM by BadWolf21
I have nothing to add, but I'll say that Tom Holland looks dead on.
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As a pundit, since it's just his "opinion", and since he usually presents it as "I'm not saying you did X, but..." he thinks he gets to be above the kind of standards of objectivity journalists are expected to behave with. A certain video game commentator I'm an on-off fan of unfortunately uses that same excuse whenever his claims get held up to scrutiny.
edited 1st Nov '15 8:38:10 PM by AlleyOop
Okay, this is getting into weird and uncomfortable territory, so I suggest we drop it for something more immediately relevant.
If Marvel got back the rights to the Fantastic Four characters, and didn't do an FF movie, which hero would you want to see Doom be a villain for? "Avengers" is a valid answer.
Depending on how they're done, Doom could be an effective solo antagonist for nearly all of them - politically, he makes a good contrasts for Panther. Technologically he can match Iron Man, while at the same time his mindset of superiority could work as a dark reflection of Tony's. He's definitely got enough megalomaniacal dictator in him to work for Cap, and likewise a movie in which Black Widow and/or Hawkeye have to infiltrate Latveria would be freaking awesome - any of the heroes involved in the military could face him on those terms as well.
Banner, Wanda and Vision are the only ones I can think of where a plot doesn't seem to pop into mind immediately.
I think a universe/teamup-but-not-necessarily-Avengers movie would be best for him, though.
edited 1st Nov '15 9:14:09 PM by KnownUnknown
Yeah, I have that. "Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom: Trials and Torment."
Here's an interesting
interpretation of the Strange/Doom relationship. Basically, unlike Doom's relationship with every other hero, Doom and Strange have a semi-working relationship. It could change, of course, depending on what either one wants, but they aren't necessarily enemies.
The problem with Doom is how do you create him? Doom works for a lot of heroes but the Fantastic four is the lynchpin of his origin and the foundation of his character is THE ACCURSED RICHAAAAAAAAAARDS!
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Iron Man Armored Adventures did give him a rather decent origin independent of the FF (or any Marvel heroes for that matter). Not saying he should be an Iron Man villain BTW, so dont get the wrong idea. -growl-
edited 2nd Nov '15 6:25:26 AM by nervmeister
Doom would work best as an Iron Man villain in the context of the MCU. It's way too soon to do another FF reboot even if Fox gives back the rights, and actually giving Doom his fucking Powered Armor (which they didn't do with either of the previous movie attempts) would be the perfect way to differentiate him.

They might have read the comics if their main impression of Cap is "'MURICA FUCK YEAH".
The Ultimate Marvel comics, to be specific.
Never go full Ultimates, guys.
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