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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
And I really, really don't want to see THAT storyline.
Since She-Hulk is currently unlikely to appear, and Janet is still stuck whereever (plus, they might not write her with an upbeat personality), I think we really, really need a Superheroine who simply enjoys her ability and uses them responsible. A counterpoint to Jessica Jones.
edited 31st Oct '15 12:41:05 PM by Swanpride
i told you she was raped. alcohol was just a side effect, not a factor to strength the person's choice to sexually assault her. there are stories where the opposite has happened and im not talking about superhero fiction alone. a victim coping not by substance abuse but something else though the perpetrator uses to help carry out their action.
you kinda sound like this guy http://mspoliticallycorrect.tumblr.com/post/97593464456/more-than-anything-i-hate-grimdark-i-hate-how
. Tim Burton said we need happier superheros last year. someone who isnt an onion knight but thats more DC heroes. marvel doesnt have much captain americas and even him right now has the solid snake thing going on
edited 31st Oct '15 12:52:24 PM by xbimpy
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By that logic nothing from "Carol in space" era should be touched. Or, for another character, nothing involving Rogue as a member o the X-Men. Just because a story is shit it doesn't mean everything that came out of it is bad.
I mean, I don't even know if the alcoholism plot was good. I haven't read it. But the main issue of that "rape" story was because it wasn't portrayed as a rape story, it was a romantic plot. Then people like Claremont decided to step up and treat the event with the seriousness it deserves, and they did good work with it.
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I am not sure if Captain Marvel is the best for that, even ignoring those plots. She was never particularly light hearted. Not terribly grim, most of the time, but not all that brightly either.
PS:Btw, remember that the most light hearted Iron Man movie was the one that involved Tony dealing with PSD. Even if the alcoholic plot is touched, it doesn't mean the tone of the movie will be grim.
edited 31st Oct '15 12:56:31 PM by Heatth
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7e8_1364222595
Carol’s upbeat, charismatic, and extraordinary competitive drive is why Jessica looks up to her during Alias. She has the umf that Jessica lacked
edited 31st Oct '15 12:59:39 PM by xbimpy
I know, but she is no She-Hulk. That was never her thing. The tone of her stories were not particularly up beat, as far I understand, not any more than your average super hero plot. And she can be all of that while being a recovering alcoholic (she is all of that while being a recovering alcoholic, in comic).
edited 31st Oct '15 1:15:35 PM by Heatth
when she lost her cosmic powers she wore a new costume called warbird. it was during the mid 80s-90s. an angsty dark time.
the baggage was messy, which is why the newest ms marvel from 2014 was meant to change what it meant to be a hero.
but idk what this has to do with the MCU
edited 31st Oct '15 1:12:42 PM by xbimpy
After her her rape, she lost her powers to Rogue and then ripped the Avengers a new one. She did NOT become alcoholic. Instead when she found herself in space with new powers (as Binary) she joined the Starjammers.
She only became an alcoholic much later on when she was part of the Avengers again and calling herself Warbird. She was losing her powers, so she drank. It had nothing to do with the rape storyline.
Also, it was the early 2000s and Busiek's run wasn't dark at all, it was very awesome.
edited 31st Oct '15 1:17:33 PM by alliterator
so this should be obvious but Marvel cant get shit down with Hulk solo anything.
http://screenrant.com/hulk-movie-mark-ruffalo-thor-ragnarok/
The only solo film fans want Hulk to even have is an adaptation of Planet Hulk, which really doesn't work in the context of the MCU.
I'd definitely like to get She-Hulk in here, but figuring out how to do so is difficult.
As for Carol, after reading her Captain Marvel stuff, I get the impression that she often does stuff just to prove she can. I think there's something in that.
Oh God! Natural light!
Carol's underlying theme is her tough, unrelenting attitude to prove she has worth, especially against men.
As Ms. Marvel, she is smarter, more serious, focused and observant.
Then the two fuse and from there on a bunch of convoluted personalities happen, which is why I'm not the biggest fan.
but overall she is very assertive in ways you haven't seen yet with females in the films. But tv already gave us agent May and Cater.
edited 31st Oct '15 2:58:00 PM by xbimpy
I don't think a hero needs a fatal flaw so much as they need a compelling goal or believable problems (by "believable" I mean "doesn't insult the audience"). MCU's Captain America doesn't have any serious flaws, but he does have problems like how he's sixty-plus years out of his own time, and he has goals like "keep as many people alive as possible while fighting the Hydra war machine."
I happen to agree that we need more heroes (and heroines) who are, well, heroes and heroines. I don't mind the troubled personalities, but I want both sides of the spectrum.
I wouldn't mind Carol having a little bit of a chip on her shoulder, though they have to be careful not to overdo it. But for a woman who is/was in the military, it makes sense that she might be keen to assert herself. For example I can totally see Tony making one of his typical inappropriate remarks and her tearing him a new one for it instead of going for the usual "oh, well, that's Tony" reaction.
Well... I can totally see what one of Captain Marvel's big problems could be
: The search for a replacement Captain America.
Even if Steve doesn't go full Nomad on us, he's already destroyed one branch of the military/intelligence group and leaked a shit-ton of classified information. He's no longer working for the government, and has formed a private army, among which are a renegade spymaster (Fury) and a former terrorist (Scarlet Witch). Steve may be a public entity, he may work with the US government, but I doubt they're going to want him around anymore than necessary. They need a replacement hero.
I think Carol would be the obvious choice: she's a trusted military officer, she's got a photogenic power set (as opposed to an alien symbiote or metal claws or whatever), and she's public (in the comics, anyway).

Wait, her alcoholism is a consequence of that story?
Yeah, no. No matter what kind of depth it could add to her character, nothing that came from that monstrosity should be touched with a 10 foot pole.