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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#45726: Oct 30th 2015 at 8:32:29 PM

Here's a question for you: what would you like to see in the Captain Marvel movie? Because after just having read the "Enemy Within" arc, I think that'd be a great moment to use - although it'd probably be better for a sequel.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45727: Oct 30th 2015 at 8:37:24 PM

Given that she's a character most people aren't familiar with, I assume it would be something near the beginning of the 2012 run.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45728: Oct 30th 2015 at 8:39:08 PM

I'd like to include the joke where someone points out that she technically outranks Captain America but that might be better saved for Infinity War.

Oh and a cameo or allusion to Monica Rambeau.

And oh I would like if they at least acknowledged her alcoholism in some way since I think that would be unique to see in a superhero film.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45729: Oct 30th 2015 at 9:24:38 PM

By "unique" do you mean "exactly like Iron Man?" I mean, they kind of glossed over it with the whole palladium poisoning thing, but there's still a decent portion in the middle of Iron Man 2 where Tony is a raging drunk.

Also, I'm not totally clear on how the military works, but given that Carol is Air Force and Steve is Army, she doesn't actually "outrank" him. She holds a higher rank than he does, but I don't think that means anything cross-service.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#45730: Oct 30th 2015 at 9:36:39 PM

Captain America's rank is that he's Captain America. At this point they basically write him a blank check and nobody's going to care what rank a peer of his is.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45731: Oct 30th 2015 at 9:42:05 PM

Is Steve even technically still part of the military? Letting him keep the name may be mostly symbolic at this point.

Especially post-Winter Soldier.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45732: Oct 30th 2015 at 9:52:25 PM

Iron Man has been shown to drink and get drunk, but his alcoholism has never been directly addressed. And by Iron Man 3, he's pretty much got it under control (I don't remember him drinking in that movie or in Age of Ultron).

I hope Carol Danvers is explicitly mentioned to be a recovering alcoholic. It would be a new take on an MCU character, plus show that she has resolve.

As for plotlines: Carol doesn't really have big iconic plotlines and villains like the other Avengers in the MCU. Her arch-enemy started as Mystique and Rogue, but Marvel can't use them and they probably can't use her other arch-enemy, Deathbird (who is Shi'ar and therefore owned by Fox). And they also probably can't use the Brood (who were Carol's enemies when she was Binary and are also probably owned by Fox).

So her main enemies would either be Yon-Rogg (who was more of Mar-Vell's enemy) and Karla Sofen, Moonstone. I think that would be an interesting way to go about it, actually - Karla Sofen is Yon-Rogg's agent on Earth and uses Kree technology to become Moonstone.

edited 30th Oct '15 9:52:39 PM by alliterator

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#45733: Oct 30th 2015 at 10:08:30 PM

Yeah, it didn't really seem to be full alcoholism in Iron Man 2 as much as it was "I Need a Freaking Drink 'cause I'm dying." He got full out drunk one night and then that was it.

edited 30th Oct '15 10:09:00 PM by Tuckerscreator

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45734: Oct 30th 2015 at 10:19:05 PM

Yeah, he never went full "Demon in a Bottle," which is sad because that is pretty much Iron Man's best storyline. (According to Wikipedia, Shane Black wanted to do "Demon in a Bottle" for Iron Man 3, but Disney didn't allow him because children would be watching. Which, come on, is stupid.)

edited 30th Oct '15 10:23:20 PM by alliterator

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#45735: Oct 30th 2015 at 10:50:49 PM

So are there anymore people in the MCU that Hulk could be appear in their movies with as a way to do Hulk movies without Hulk movies?

Like, imagine Hulk in a possible Cap movie (which I know will never happen b/c Civil War is the end of the trilogy, but yeah.)

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#45736: Oct 30th 2015 at 11:10:59 PM

Black Widow movie, if they ever make one.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45738: Oct 30th 2015 at 11:19:40 PM

The easiest answer to that question is She-Hulk. Because a She-Hulk movie would necessitate that Bruce Banner appear in it, at least in the beginning.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45739: Oct 30th 2015 at 11:39:00 PM

While we have an Earthling in space via Peter Quill (though he arguably doesn't identify as one any more), we don't have much of people who are a part of the modern Earth climate connecting the planet to alien races and bridging gaps and stuff without blowing them up (Thor tries, but he's still an Asgardian coming to them - mostly Earthlings are on the defensive).

So that's something I want to see in Captain Marvel. A kind of halfway point between terran Marvel and cosmic Marvel - a person who interacts with aliens but does so explicitly representing Earth. I guess that would make it more of a first contact movie or something.

edited 30th Oct '15 11:39:12 PM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45740: Oct 30th 2015 at 11:54:24 PM

Perhaps she can work for SWORD (or, if they can't use SWORD, the MCU equivalent).

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#45741: Oct 31st 2015 at 1:10:41 AM

Ok, I can safely say that both Monica and Jessica Drew would be great supporting characters for Carol. Her friendship with the latter is especially great.

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#45742: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:22:41 AM

I'm pretty sure the reason for Tony's abrupt recovery from alcoholism is just because Disney is no longer allowing their characters to smoke or drink. So I seriously doubt Carol's drinking problem will be appearing in the MCU anytime soon.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45743: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:39:20 AM

To be honest, I don't really want to see her drinking problem. Or her getting mind controlled.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45744: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:06:57 AM

The easiest answer to that question is She-Hulk. Because a She-Hulk movie would necessitate that Bruce Banner appear in it, at least in the beginning.

Would She-Hulk fall victim to the same Universal distribution clause?

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#45745: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:19:09 AM

Uh the movies are pg13 and very idealistic on the happier side of life. You aren't going to see a full on alcoholic. That's what Netflix is for -_-. sorry Alcoholism isn't a major subplot for these films. That would just be dark and edgy tacked on cuz no director is allowed to dabble in it respectfully to change the characters' lives and relationships. Just like you won't see any females getting raped or put in prostitution (uhhmbothmsmarvelandspiderwoman) or some freaky stuff like hulk's beastly instincts to mate with she hulk/100 nigh naked Tibtian models

edited 31st Oct '15 7:44:41 AM by xbimpy

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45746: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:53:28 AM

You're late xbimpy.

edited 31st Oct '15 7:53:38 AM by comicwriter

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#45747: Oct 31st 2015 at 8:16:00 AM

Perhaps she can work for SWORD (or, if they can't use SWORD, the MCU equivalent).

Depending on how they play the ATCU on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., that might be possible.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#45748: Oct 31st 2015 at 8:34:44 AM

Jumping back a bit to the "Captain America vs Captain Marvel" thing, assuming those are referring to their actual ranks when they were in the service, they'd be equal, as both AF and Army use the same rank system for officers.

Steve, however, has quite a bit on Carol in terms of "time in service" (how people of the same rank determine who is "senior"), though. tongue

edited 31st Oct '15 8:35:23 AM by Nohbody

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#45749: Oct 31st 2015 at 8:39:00 AM

I think Carol is actually a colonel.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45750: Oct 31st 2015 at 8:43:44 AM

I think they'd be equal in rank too.


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