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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45701: Oct 29th 2015 at 10:15:00 PM

I doubt they would go with Weirdworld, though - for one thing, the current Weirdworld is very new, only coming out this year, while the old Weirdworld was a very, very obscure comic (much, much more obscure than the Guardians of the Galaxy).

edited 29th Oct '15 10:15:08 PM by alliterator

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45702: Oct 29th 2015 at 10:39:38 PM

It's also not likely because the sword-and-sorcery genre is ungodly expensive and doesn't perform great at the box office. Guardians and Ant-Man were gambles because they're properties people generally aren't as familiar with, but when you get the actors out in the press and have them say "it's a space opera, kind of like Star Wars" or "it's a heist movie with superpowers" people understand that, and go see the films, because people like Star Wars, and they like heist movies.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45703: Oct 30th 2015 at 10:42:58 AM

Black Knight would work better as part of an ensemble anyway, I think. He's not really a solo hero.

edited 30th Oct '15 10:43:21 AM by comicwriter

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#45704: Oct 30th 2015 at 1:42:08 PM

[up][up]Big Hero 6 was so obscure most people had never even heard of it, and look how well that did.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45705: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:35:03 PM

That was a Disney movie. And they never really advertised it as an adaptation of the comics - because it primarily wasn't an adaptation, they changed so much.

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#45706: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:35:47 PM

As they do.

The fact that it barely resembles the source material is, in and of itself, proof that it's meant to be a Disney movie first and foremost.

edited 30th Oct '15 2:37:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45707: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:36:42 PM

[up][up][up]Well, Disney is still a quality label when it comes to animation. A lot of animation fans might or might not go to the movies of the other studios, but they won't skip Disney or Pixar. Plus, good marketing campaign. That was a little bit the problem with ant-man, the trailers were not bad, but they had a really hard time to convince that audience that this will be fun. It was different with Got G, which had the catchy song and Big Hero 6 which had Baymax.

Disney didn't even put that much emphasis on the fact that Big Hero 6 was a Marvel property.

edited 30th Oct '15 2:36:57 PM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45708: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:37:44 PM

[up][up]True, but in comparison, Guardians of the Galaxy was different, but still objectively similar to the comic. Big Hero 6, on the other hand, changed everything so much that it didn't resemble the comics in the slightest - from the setting (changed from Tokyo to San Fransokyo) to the characters (where Fredzilla goes from a guy who can actually transform into a giant lizard to...someone with a suit) to...well, everything else.

It was basically an original movie with the name Big Hero 6 slapped on. Which is great, because the comic book Big Hero 6 was terrible.

edited 30th Oct '15 2:38:27 PM by alliterator

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#45710: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:44:47 PM

Yeah, but that's my point: obscurity could actually be a benefit.

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#45711: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:46:40 PM

[up][up][up] Yep.

Big Hero 6 has more in common with the likes of Disney's Hercules, The Little Mermaid, Snow White, etc. than Guardians of the Galaxy, Iron Man, or The Avengers. It's been run through the Disney machine.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45713: Oct 30th 2015 at 2:59:29 PM

With Big Hero 6 versus Guardians, I think it's also important that Guardians is tied to the MCU in that Thanos is the overarching Big Bad (and the Collector ties the space setting into Asgard). Not to mention, Captain Marvel has ties to the GOTG.

On the other hand, the comic book Big Hero 6 team are a combination of unconnected characters and ones that are more well known- but probably couldn't be used because they are X Men characters.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45714: Oct 30th 2015 at 3:04:12 PM

Yeah, but that's my point: obscurity could actually be a benefit.
Nope, because the MCU actually relies on fans assuming that they are direct adaptations of the material, which can lead to twists like the Mandarin in Iron Man 3. That's because the MCU tends to accurately translate the comics - or at least the characters from the comics - and so wouldn't really want to create a completely original movie with the name "Weirdworld" slapped on.

In any case, if they wanted to do a sword-and-sorcery movie, they could just do Man-Thing and have him encounter Wundarr.

edited 30th Oct '15 3:21:32 PM by alliterator

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#45715: Oct 30th 2015 at 3:05:34 PM

All this talk of sword and sorcery has me wanting Marvel to recover the film rights to Doom so that he and Iron Man can go back in time and meet King Arthur.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45717: Oct 30th 2015 at 3:23:17 PM

I like the nod to that story from the recent Invincible Iron Man book, where Doom is trying to prove he is Doom to Tony:

Doom: We once went back in time to King Arthur's court. I look back on that adventure fondly.
Iron Man: You left me to die there.
Doom: I said I look back on it fondly, not that you do.

edited 30th Oct '15 3:24:23 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45719: Oct 30th 2015 at 4:09:33 PM

Well, I do wonder how they plan to cover certain genres...though I guess they could do a pirate movie by setting it in space, and the same for a Western or a peplum film.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45720: Oct 30th 2015 at 4:59:56 PM

Heck, in the fourth issue of Fantastic Four, they go back in time and Ben Grimm becomes Blackbeard.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#45721: Oct 30th 2015 at 5:27:29 PM

Why would they have to do either?

All of their movies have something going on other than just "superhero movie," but that doesn't mean that they plan on doing every kind of movie.

edited 30th Oct '15 5:28:05 PM by BadWolf21

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#45722: Oct 30th 2015 at 5:47:48 PM

[up]X5: Well, that'd prove he's Doom to me.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#45723: Oct 30th 2015 at 6:54:40 PM

They should give Damage Control their own movie.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45725: Oct 30th 2015 at 7:53:43 PM

Nothing new but Ruffalo says any solo Hulk film is "even further away" now.

Which is fine. I suspect Ragnarok is their way of doing a Hulk movie without actually doing a Hulk movie.


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