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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Which hero fits in which one http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/coping.htm
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The Ultimate universe was troubled from the very beginning because there ironically wasn't enough editorial control.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThere was also Mark Millar.
edited 24th Oct '15 12:13:35 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Well, that's what happens when someone decides to make most of the heroes complete sociopaths and/jackasses, with in some cases, their worse flaws blown up.
edited 24th Oct '15 12:52:58 PM by Anicomicgeek
Troper Wall * DeviantArtI'm not really sure what the original post was in reference to. It kind of came out of nowhere.
And the Star Wars prequels is a weird comparison since a major reason the quality was so low is because Lucas had Protection from Editors, which seems at odds with the accusation that the MCU is about to suck because of editorial oversight.
edited 24th Oct '15 1:01:49 PM by comicwriter
I mean. Lucas was the boss for the OT. I guess you can argue that the PT were a bit like in comic books when the plot gets done by editorial rather than the actual writers.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.More specifically, it's because he's not that good at writing dialogue (stories, yes; dialogue, no), isn't much of an actor's director, and had inexperienced actors in lead roles who needed more help than he could give. Notice how Liam Neeson, Sam Jackson, and Ewan McGregor in Episodes II and III manage to still give pretty solid performances. It's Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen, and Natalie Portman that struggled, and they're the ones who are front and centre.
I'm guessing the guy was trying to say something bad is gonna happen with the MCU or something. Typical doomsayers running around with signs saying the end is nigh.
Blame the direction for that. I saw a video from Doug Walker that talks about what the prequels got right, and he points out that Christensen is actually a good actor in other movies, it's just that Lucas's poor direction made him act stilted and awkward. He even uses an example of Mark Wahlberg in The Happening: his acting sucks in that movie, but he's had much better performances in other films. The problem lies in how the actor is being directed to do their scenes.
edited 24th Oct '15 1:16:45 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I have never seen Hayden Christenssen act favorably in a single movie.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I tried to find the one movie he was well-received in (he wore glasses in it, that's all I remember) but instead found the most bizarre filmography
. What are
these??
edited 24th Oct '15 1:24:44 PM by Tuckerscreator
That's what I'm already saying. Natalie Portman is a fantastic actor, but she's terrible in the Star Wars movies. Why? Because she's a young actor whose director is a big-picture kind of guy. She's not getting the kind of direction she needs, and is working with a bad script, and is therefore not putting in a good performance. Same with Christensen (although his talents are significantly lesser).
The central problem of the Star Wars prequels is that George Lucas needed a dramaturge.
Contrast to the MCU (woot, bringing it back around the the topic!) where that isn't an issue. There are tons of people looking over stuff all the time. The risk is that the movies can easily become generic through that process, but they've so far done a good job at hiring directors who can work with a strong vision within the restrictions of a shared universe.
In the case of Cinematic Universes, Marvel or otherwise, when you are talking about director/studio relations it's almost better to treat it as a TV show that puts out a small number of horrifically high-budget episodes then a collection of films. A TV show episode's director is hired to execute an already-existing script and has limited influence over the story. And that's a good thing, if the dozen+ directors on a given TV show's payroll all had independent creative control over the story of their particular episode, you'd be left with a disjointed contradictory mess of a story that would result in the show being canceled in short order.
Same deal with a cinematic universe. You need a showrunner (or showrunners) at the top to steer the ship so everything works as part of a greater whole, in the case of the MCU that person is Kevin Feige.
While this is certainly an extreme example, if there was no oversight the Russo Brothers could kill off Scott Lang in Civil War, and then Payton Reed could just have him still be alive in Ant-Man and The Wasp because screw continuity I'm making the movie I want.
Directors "creatively outrank" writers (meaning they're free to change whatever the writer writes. Scriptwriting is a very thankless profession) when it comes to Hollywood, so he's not wrong.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

I imagine any police officer or ACTU / SHIELD agent who goes to investigate rumors of a strange man who exhibits an odd and terrible control over others return having lost track of time, only capable of saying that the stories were just groundless pranks.
If they're lucky.
edited 24th Oct '15 2:15:56 AM by KnownUnknown