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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#45326: Oct 23rd 2015 at 7:51:41 PM

[up][up] The response would probably be that risking a group that powerful falling under Kilgrave's control would be an extremely bad idea.

Of course, Vision ought to be immune to his powers, but he might not be known to the public. It depends on when exactly this is set on the timeline.

edited 23rd Oct '15 7:52:01 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#45327: Oct 23rd 2015 at 8:33:23 PM

So... any comics moments we absolutely want to see translated to screen?

I want to see Tom Hiddleston do this.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#45328: Oct 23rd 2015 at 8:36:25 PM

The Thanoscopter.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45329: Oct 23rd 2015 at 8:55:21 PM

This gem.

It'll never happened simply because of how Loki is practically regarded as super-Hitler to Earth people in the MCU, but still.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45330: Oct 23rd 2015 at 8:59:25 PM

I'd like that too, but doesn't seem likely for the reason you mention. Also, MCU!Loki seems to be more aware of Earth customs.

I've thought it would be good to transfer it to Sif. Not sure if she'd show up on AOS again, but maybe in a future MCU film or in Agent Carter?

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#45331: Oct 23rd 2015 at 9:17:40 PM

I wanna see the "For Asgard!" "For Midgard!" "For myself!" bit in Ragnarok (especially since they dropped the ball by not having Thor request words with Ultron).

Since the MCU Spider-Man will likely be taking cues from the Lee and Ditko era, I want to see the heavy lifting scene from the Master Planner story in live-action (yeah, we kinda got it in Spider-Man 2, but not quite).

And I still wanna see Sam Jackson as Nick Fury do the "crash-through-the-wall-while-riding-a-jet-powered-motorcycle-without-a-shirt-as-a-nuke-explodes-outside" scene, as contrived as it may be.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45332: Oct 23rd 2015 at 9:58:13 PM

I want to see a 616 Fury just...one last time. He's not in the movies, he's not in the cartoons, and the comics have gotten rid of him.

I just want to see one of my favorite marvel characters one last time to give him a proper send-off (instead of the abomination that was Original Sin) before he's swallowed by Samuel L. Jackson's version.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#45333: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:00:21 PM

I want Colonel Fury to show up in Agent Carter as the OG Director of SHIELD. Gray sideburns, scowl, cigar, whole works. Then he dies, someone else puts on the eyepatch and is now the new Director Fury.

edited 23rd Oct '15 10:00:31 PM by SonOfSharknado

My various fanfics.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#45334: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:24:05 PM

Or current Nick Fury could be his son, like Marcus Johnson/Nick Fury Jr. in the comics is 616 Fury's son.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45335: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:24:43 PM

It'd be nice to see some of Fury's family, especially if they bring back ZODIAC.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45336: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:36:40 PM

@Loki and Spider-Man: I don't get the last panel. Is there some stereotype about Philly that I don't know?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45337: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:37:08 PM

Thanos tripping and dropping the Tesseract. Bucky wrestling bears in the Siberian winter. Or any time Hawkeye has that horrible purple toga.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45339: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:39:32 PM

[up][up]Let's not do that last one.

edited 23rd Oct '15 10:40:07 PM by Kostya

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#45341: Oct 23rd 2015 at 10:48:55 PM

Not being familiar with Nick Fury Classic...is he really that different from the Jackson version? All I ever hear anyone talk about is how they look, that and the whole immortality angle that let's be honest is really only there to keep his WWII stories from getting retconned.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#45342: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:04:00 PM

He's kinda different. Being rooted in WWII, classic Fury has more in common with Captain America and part of his Anti-Reg motive in Civil War was because of having seen dictatorships like Stalin's Russia emerge. MCU Fury constantly clashes with MCU Steve because they're used to such different time periods.

It's curious what gets retconned and what doesn't. 616 Black Widow is as old as Fury, but 616 Reed Richards having been a WWII veteran is instead ignored today.

edited 23rd Oct '15 11:07:40 PM by Tuckerscreator

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45343: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:14:56 PM

Classic Fury is more of a world-weary war veteran, rough-on-the-edges, tough-as-nails, often grumpy, coarse and hot-blooded. MCU Fury is more of a ellusive, sleek, cool-headed and smooth operator.

They are more or less entirely distinct characters who intersect at points, in my opinion.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#45344: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:20:59 PM

It's curious what gets retconned and what doesn't. 616 Black Widow is as old as Fury, but 616 Reed Richards having been a WWII veteran is instead ignored today.
Probably because there were few/no stories written that involve that.

Like, the draft was a thing? Any character from the sixties that would've been eighteen or older in the forties was probably a WWII veteran. It's incidental.

Classic Fury is more of a world-weary war veteran, rough-on-the-edges, tough-as-nails, often grumpy, coarse and hot-blooded.
I dunno, man, I'd say that describes Jackson Fury pretty dang well.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45345: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:21:33 PM

I want to see a 616 Fury just...one last time. He's not in the movies, he's not in the cartoons, and the comics have gotten rid of him.

Fury actually appeared in the recent SHIELD 50th Anniversary issue where Nick Fury Jr ended up time traveling back to the '50s and teamed up with his own father. (And then at the end, we're reminded that Nick Fury Sr. is still trapped as the Unseen on the moon, so he's not dead.)

But yeah, Jack Kirby envision Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD, as a James Bond-type, but instead of being suave and sophisticated, he was a rough riding, cigar-chomping military man. So he was pretty much the anti-James Bond.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#45346: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:31:34 PM

Probably because there were few/no stories written that involve that.

...that goes without saying. My confusion was why there were few stories that involved that.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#45347: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:33:03 PM

[up]Because Marvel had other characters they were doing those stories with? I don't think it's a difficult question. No one's buying books with Reed Richards in to see him in a gritty wartime environment without superpowers. That's what Fury and such were for.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#45348: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:35:27 PM

The response would probably be that risking a group that powerful falling under Kilgrave's control would be an extremely bad idea. Of course, Vision ought to be immune to his powers, but he might not be known to the public. It depends on when exactly this is set on the timeline.

What they could do, assuming the Avengers know about his powers, is have Tony send a remotely controlled suit after Purple Man. It's a machine. His pheromones won't do squat. Basically, Tony can fight him without even needing to be there.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45349: Oct 23rd 2015 at 11:38:00 PM

The issue then becomes of collateral damage. If Kilgrave is in a open space with a lot of people? Well, he can just command everyone around him to attack the robot and it will become overwhelmed. Or he can say, "Leave me alone or I will tell everyone here to stop breathing."

He's a sociopath who can control people. He will have no qualms about killing large crowds.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#45350: Oct 24th 2015 at 1:01:40 AM

As has been mentioned already, if you can figure out where Kilgrave is, having a sniper shoot him from far away with no warning is the most obvious solution.

However, depending on how the Netflix series adapts his powers, he may be able to make people forget he exists, so no one but Jessica would really know to be looking for him.

edited 24th Oct '15 1:02:10 AM by RavenWilder


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