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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45301: Oct 23rd 2015 at 12:02:07 PM

The only possible conclusion is that the Fall of Shield (and The Winter Soldier) happened in fall 2013.

Um, no, because the first season of AOS didn't only take place in 2013. It also took place in 2014. Each episode corresponds to it's release date.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45302: Oct 23rd 2015 at 12:05:29 PM

[up]They certainly don't. Some episodes are not even a day apart from each other.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#45303: Oct 23rd 2015 at 12:40:15 PM

but the mcu takes place in real time like marvel originally did when F4 started

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45304: Oct 23rd 2015 at 1:26:05 PM

They certainly don't. Some episodes are not even a day apart from each other.

Some, not all. And some episodes take place months apart. Most are set in the same time period as when they air, however. The Winter Soldier took place in 2014.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45306: Oct 23rd 2015 at 1:56:52 PM

[up][up]If it had taken place in 2014, Agent of shield would be in 2016 already.

edited 23rd Oct '15 1:57:01 PM by Swanpride

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#45307: Oct 23rd 2015 at 2:01:42 PM

Watching people try to hammer out a precise timeline for the MCU reminds me why I avoid efforts to hammer out a precise timeline for the comics.

Time moves at the speed of plot.

edited 23rd Oct '15 2:02:05 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45308: Oct 23rd 2015 at 2:03:48 PM

[up]But it is so much fun trying to figure out what which character did during the same period another did.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45309: Oct 23rd 2015 at 2:04:39 PM

I would say though for the record that I think the the Agent Carter one shot as something along the lines of a Pilot Movie for the show. So, it's sort of like a broad strokes continuity at best.

Otherwise, it's kind of depressing to think that Peggy was back to square one and being looked down on by her colleagues before Howard stepped in.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45310: Oct 23rd 2015 at 2:17:06 PM

If it had taken place in 2014, Agent of shield would be in 2016 already.

Uh, no, why do think that? The fall of SHIELD happened in April of 2014. That means it's still been about a year and a half since that happened. By what rubric are you saying that it's 2016? I don't remember anyone in the show saying it was two years ago or anything regarding that. AOS pretty much sticks to the normal timeline, setting episodes on the date they air.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#45311: Oct 23rd 2015 at 3:00:33 PM

Jessica Jones looks fantastic. Definitely getting Netflix for a month to watch that.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45312: Oct 23rd 2015 at 3:34:45 PM

[up][up]As I already explained: If the fall of shield had happened in April 2014, season 2 of Agent of shield would have started after the winter, setting it in 2015. But midterm elections were in 2014, not 2015. They say only one or two episodes before the Age of Ultron lead in that Coulson died two years ago at this particular point. And the battle of New York was in 2012. So if Season 2 is firmly in 2014, Season one has to have happened in 2013, and since we know exactly at which point the movies connect to the show, it would set The Winter Soldier firmly in Fall 2013, not spring 2014.

There are some others hint concerning the particular year, those are just the ones of the top of my mind.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45313: Oct 23rd 2015 at 3:43:02 PM

If the fall of shield had happened in April 2014, season 2 of Agent of shield would have started after the winter, setting it in 2015.

You said this, but you didn't explain why. Why would it have to take place after winter? Because of some vague line that Talbot has been chasing them all winter? Because I'm pretty sure that just means Season 2 begins in Winter 2014. Which, you know, is when it aired.

edited 23rd Oct '15 3:43:41 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45314: Oct 23rd 2015 at 4:12:21 PM

[up]There is also the thing with the midterm and some other dates...because Ao S sometimes gives actual years or ages of the characters when something happens to them and sometimes says "X years ago", the dates wouldn't fit together if there is a bigger time jump. They do fit, however, if you set season 1 completely in 2013, season 2 completely in 2014 and now we should be in 2015....but I haven't really checked the last dates we got yet.

Look, I agree that the movies are now advertised in a way as if they happen roughly when we watch them. But the TV shows aren't. And since Ao S is the best source for dates, I rather follow the show.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45315: Oct 23rd 2015 at 4:50:01 PM

Look, I agree that the movies are now advertised in a way as if they happen roughly when we watch them. But the TV shows aren't.

But the TV shows are set around when we watch them.

Look, Senator Ward mentioned the Midterm Elections on "A Fractured House," right? That aired on October 28, 2014. The Midterm Elections were on November 4, 2014. So the episode took place almost at the exact time it aired.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45316: Oct 23rd 2015 at 4:59:45 PM

[up]You are contradicting yourself. You just claimed that at this point the show is already in winter.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45317: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:42:59 PM

October and November are winter. Well, wintery fall.

But again, I don't see how the timeline doesn't work. Season 2 of AOS takes place from fall 2014 to spring 2015. Then Season 3 takes place six months later.

edited 23rd Oct '15 5:44:37 PM by alliterator

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#45318: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:44:08 PM

No they aren't. They're Autumn. Winter is typically defined as December to February.

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#45319: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:44:20 PM

[up][up] I've never really considered them as such. I always thought of them as fall, and winter starting in December.

[up] Pretty much.

edited 23rd Oct '15 5:45:04 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45320: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:45:10 PM

December to February is how I've considered the Winter Season all my life.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#45321: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:47:15 PM

... This whole discussion doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The MCU is obviously not set in our world, although it is overall a case of Like Reality, Unless Noted. But like for example, the President is a fictional character and the verse's version of Operation Paperclip is somewhat different than the real one (involving SHIELD recuriting Hydra personnel and possibly Fenhoff in addition to/instead of the CIA recruiting Nazis- because SHIELD and Hydra don't actually exist

edited 23rd Oct '15 5:47:59 PM by Hodor2

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45322: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:48:35 PM

So, again, AOS Season 2 takes place from Fall 2014 to Spring 2015. That still doesn't contradict anything. Winter Soldier still took place, what, six months prior to AOS Season 2? That still places it in April of 2014. And then six months after that was when Gonzalez revealed the Real SHIELD and then Age of Ultron happened in April/May 2015 and then six months after that is AOS Season 3.

Seriously, I don't see where the timeline doesn't match. It all matches.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#45323: Oct 23rd 2015 at 5:53:34 PM

You guys are pretty anally retentive and nitpicky over something that's ultimately irrelevant to the MCU's stories.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#45324: Oct 23rd 2015 at 7:32:28 PM

Saw the latest trailer for Jessica Jones.

Goddammit, the trailer didn't even show his face and already I want to see him in immense pain or worse.

So how long you guys will think it'll take for someone in the show to suggest contacting the Avengers to take down Kilgrave?

jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#45325: Oct 23rd 2015 at 7:48:39 PM

[up]They'll just be mind controlled before they finish saying it.

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