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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
James Gunn doesn't want nova, so stop hoping. He will just keep on repeating that fact against those who insists. The only way I see it is from the pressure which he shows he doesn't care for
Marvel studio already planned for runways but it haulted, so for now it's in developments hell.
I know Phase 4 must touch upon Manadarin before he becomes a dead cliff hanger that never received closing. Or else it would be going on 2025 and still nothing. Meanwhile, by then Spiderman should have grown up. Even in 2020 he would already be 20. So the coming age story via sequels doesn't sound possible. The original avengers defeated Thanos so a new big bad needs to arise. The magical universe automatically needs an expansion with Dr strange 2 and pre magic stuff like the possibility of ghost rider or moon knight. The movies by then would reference the smaller screen a lot more since events are already impacting the wider universe. Eventually someone in a movie must acknowledge it or else my belief decreases.
I'd what captain marvel and black panther adds. Where shield will go is up in the air. Any new organizations idk
edited 21st Oct '15 8:29:36 PM by xbimpy
"I know Phase 4 must touch upon Manadarin before he becomes a dead cliff hanger that never received closing. Or else it would be going on 2025 and still nothing."
I'm trying to put a pillow over the face of my dwindling hopes, and here you are restraining me from just ending its weak, miserable existence! Why are you doing this to me?
Because he made gog to be centered on the gog while Kevin says obviously nothing to that fact. There is no conflict between the producer and director beyond an overarching world building. This doesn't include Richard ridder in gog2.
Gunn is making what he wants and that's a novaless gog2 whether you don't like it or not. You can hope but it won't happen as he stated many times. This is something out of Kevin's hands because he isn't stepping into who should appear who for this space opera's sequel.
Just because you really want the character doesn't mean the studio caters to that desire, let alone director. Bringing forth unrealistic exceptions will disappoint you. Now for gog3, if such a thing is dessert, could explore that possibility but for now Peter being the human out there is very important to the story Gunn is making. No one is interfering with this reaility until infinty war thor raganrok and captain marvel.
Would Kevin force him to do.something he doesn't want to? Would Kevin take away screen from the primarily protagonist just to fit in Richard even though the nova corps are already far below undeveloped. Unless he's going to spin off at the studios demand it won't happen
edited 21st Oct '15 8:47:30 PM by xbimpy
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I didn't say there was friction between them, I said Gunn doesn't have the authority to contradict Feige if Marvel Studios changes their minds such things - even within his own movie.
Marvel's well known for putting most of its authority at the top, and having the directors ultimately follow the will of the Studio (and thus Feige). If Gunn doesn't want to put Nova in the movie, he's ultimately able to follow through on it because the Studio doesn't disagree.
edited 21st Oct '15 8:42:31 PM by KnownUnknown
You want Nova but it won't happen despite James Gunn having bosses who get the final say. Just because of that fact it still will not happen. I am telling you this now, let it go or else the desire will drive you insane. This film is not centered on building up Ricahrd Rider. It's centered on what James Gunn intended, which his bosses made clear signs of keeping it to his liking as best as possible.
The GOG is Novaless. The Nova Corps are generic space cops and nothing more because this story is driven by Star Lord and crew. Not the world around them.
Unless the studio steps in and demands Nova it just won't work. And that possibility is slim plus it would get James angry. Neither side shows any concerns for the concept of Nova Corps. They are just going to be the poor man's green lantern. Until the studio does show concern then nothing can prove me wrong. O yea if James suddenly changed his mind as well
edited 21st Oct '15 9:00:11 PM by xbimpy
From the way the deal between Sony and Marvel is worded, I have a feeling that Spider-Man sequel dates will come down to us through Sony, not Marvel.
And I don't think Mandarin is supposed to be any kind of cliffhanger. They don't want to touch him, but fans complained, so they were thrown a bone, and I doubt it'll ever come up again.
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I feel like you might be missing that the original point was about Nova getting his own movie. Not about him showing up in Guardians.
And it still doesn't change that yes, he could show up in Guardians, Gunn's personal feelings towards him or not, if the studio wanted him in. They are the ultimate authority, for better or for worse. So... not that I necessarily want him in Guardians, but you saying it would never happen? Yeah, not accurate.
edited 21st Oct '15 9:01:43 PM by Khfan429
*4: Where are you getting the impression that I'm fixated on Nova being in the next Guardians movie? I'm telling you how Marvel Studios operates, not saying that the Gunn is wrong for wanting to do his movie a certain way.
Or basically, like
said. Whether we want him in or not, it's ultimately not Gunn who makes the final decisions about stuff like that.
edited 21st Oct '15 9:04:16 PM by KnownUnknown
The only way he would get a movie would be by spinning off the world building of GOG which once again isn't happening. This is obvious-_-. Unless captain marvel director decides to use nova corps.or agents of shield showrunners get the green light for nova corps like they did with a kree...
You can desire Nova but it's a desire nothing more. I'm sticking with what needs to happen for coinutiuty and character sake. The establishment of dr strange means X Y and Z will receive an expansion while Pym particles are on the loose that leads to A B and C. once the author touches upon new material it shouldn't be put down for another decade when it cleary isn't finished being told. Oh a nation fell out of the sky - recation: 7 movies later and 7 seasons latter on so and so show. Me: uh this isn't very believable anymore
edited 21st Oct '15 9:15:53 PM by xbimpy
... You did see that the Nova Corps were in Guardians of the Galaxy, right?
Why does Captain Marvel or Agents of SHIELD need to show them?
Better question, what makes you think they can't just make a Nova movie? Did Doctor Strange have to show up in a Thor movie to get his own? No.
I don't even know what "spinning off the world-building" is supposed to mean. Isn't that what a Nova movie... or any other cosmic Marvel movie, for that matter... would be by definition? A spinoff from the cosmic foundations Guardians set up?
edited 21st Oct '15 9:10:28 PM by Khfan429
Yeah, the Nova Corps has already shown up in Guardians of the Galaxy. And, really, it's not like James Gunn hates Richard Rider (or Sam Alexander), it's just that he wants to keep Peter Quill as the only human in the GOTG movies — which doesn't mean that there won't be any Nova movie not done by Gunn.
If they did such a movie, however, there would need to be changes - specifically, the Nova Corps shown in the movie doesn't have the Nova Force, but they might get that from the Infinity Stone they now possess. But they are also made up of only Xandarians - so to recruit a human would be weird. Also: it might be too similar to Green Lantern.
The deal between Sony and Marvel is worded the polite way. In any case, there HAS to be a Spider-man movie in 2020 because of the three year rule (unless they intend to count the animated movie, which I doubt), plus, they will be intend on making those movie as fast as possible before the actor ages out of being a convincing teenager/young adult. I doubt that Marvel has any intention to make more than three movies a year at this point. It is therefore a pretty safe bet that one of those movies will be Spider-man. And I think that it is an equally safe bet that the other slots depend on how well the other movies do, which rights they have back at this point aso.
I don't think that we will ever see an Iron man 4, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we will never see some sort of Mandarin. He can just as well turn up in a, let's say, Dr Strange movie. If Marvel even has any interest to use him. I think the whole one-shot was more "let's throw the fans a bone" than anything.
Another option for Phase 4 which I consider as very likely are Team-up movies. Letting two heroes headline the movies in question can certainly work.
Concerning Nova: I have the feeling that Marvel has no intention to force James Gun into using any character. They just let him built up their Space universe and let him play around with whatever he wants, until he gets tired of it. Nova is simply not on the top of the priority list.
The properties I want to see on the big screen one day are the Silver Surfer (should Marvel ever get him back...that is certainly a character whose origin story I really want to see) and Cloak and Dagger.
I figure if they ever make a Shiang Chi movie, they could swap in Mandarin for Fu Manchu as his Diabolical Mastermind Archnemesis Dad.
Dr. Strange has no relation to Thor so far in the Marvel Cinematic Universe -____-'. The comparison doesn't make sense. Why would he spin off Thor? There is no context there.
This is the fact - “I don’t want Nova right now because I think Quill being the only earthling is important. That serves the entire movie going audience and not just the handful of Nova fans. Sorry if that upsets you.” and“I don’t want Nova right now because I think Quill being the only earthling is important. That serves the entire movie going audience and not just the handful of Nova fans. Sorry if that upsets you." There is no evidence of anyone preventing this, including Kevin; all he said was "I think if Guardians works the way we certainly hope it works, that would probably be the franchise to meet a lot of those people. That would be our entrance into numerous other cosmic folk. If we spin those out into individual movies, that’s a question for down the line. But I think we would see those kinds of characters in a future Guardians movie." Right now that's a statement for 2020+. He shows no signs of starting with GOG 2.
Richard Rider would obviously spin off Guardians of the Galaxy, since Nova Corps aren't going to show up in Captain America Civil War, Dr. Strange, Spiderman, Black Panther, and Ant Man & Wasp.
However, Thor Rangarok, Captain Marvel, and Avengers Infinity War are all cosmic and have a higher chance of reusing Nova Corps if the studio feels the need to set up Richard Rider. Then there is the fact Agents of SHIELD's showrunners were allowed to use a Kree, so the possibility of a Xandarian landing on Earth for one episode is there. Cause effect. Something happens to make them appear, which further expands the chance for Nova. That's a far stretch I do not except.
GOG 2 = Nova spinoff for 2020+? Uh no sorry. Your going to end up disappointed...
Without the set up gained from a spin off it would be weird anyway.
this is why i say theres no nova. there's just no evidence to support him at the moment
edited 22nd Oct '15 9:41:30 AM by xbimpy
What people are saying is that the set up is already there. "They introduced the Nova Corps in a past movie" is no more tenuous a connection than arguing "Thor set up Doctor Strange because it sorta deals with magic I guess."
This is a big bowl of word soup.
edited 22nd Oct '15 6:30:10 AM by comicwriter
Or they could pull another "Madame Masque" and make him a Howard Stark villain in Agent Carter. He's pretty much Silver Age Tony in spirit.
Or just keep Mandarin The Ghost (MCU's "Doctor Claw" anyone?) who has 10 super-elite agents - each with a powered ring - carrying out his plans and acting as representatives on his behalf. Hell, if they REALLY want to get sci-fi with him, they could make him a combination of Sauron and the Six Paths of Pain.
edited 22nd Oct '15 6:54:37 AM by nervmeister

As for what the three 2020 movies will be... Marvel themselves probably don't know. It's probably like when they gave the dates for the entirety of Phase 3. They know they're going to make the movies, they're just waiting until more movies have come out to determine what to fill the slots with.
That being the case, I definitely think we can expect to see a Spider-Man sequel on the table, as well as either a Doctor Strange 2 or Guardians 3, with the inevitable new property being dependent on which of those two it is. Fingers crossed for Nova, personally.
edited 21st Oct '15 7:55:29 PM by Khfan429