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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#45026: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:30:43 AM

Or the Black Widow vs. Winter Soldier fight. Natasha's the closest thing to Batman we have in this series, being raised from childhood as a spy and assassin, but she still can't take out the Winter Soldier, who's only mildly enhanced by the terms of the MCU (he's got a robot arm and Training from Hell, but that's about it).

edited 20th Oct '15 8:31:06 AM by JBC31187

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45027: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:35:46 AM

[up][up][up][up]And on the heroes side, there was Cap shoulder tossing Thor ending with him in pain and looking barely conscious. Then's there's BP armbarring incapacitating Giant Man with H 2 H alone, no heart-shaped herb required.

edited 20th Oct '15 8:37:09 AM by nervmeister

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45028: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:38:59 AM

[up][up]To be fair, Bucky can thank those goggles for ensuring that little rivalry didn't unexpectedly end midway through the movie.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45029: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:50:46 AM

@nervmeister

Not that I want to bring in the whole debate again, but there's more reasons for wanting the Mandarin changed than just pandering to the Chinese market. A lot of people including myself think the character is too outdated and full of Unfortunate Implications to play straight anymore. It's more than just trying to appease China.

As for the new Chinese characters I hope they don't pander too hard to China's Culture Police. Granted it's not that likely since what appeals to the audience and to the government censors isn't the same, not with all the fujoshi in China. But it also means Marvel might be afraid to include openly LGBT characters and other stuff that would get them Banned in China.

[up][up][up] It's implied Bucky is a little empowered and got a bootleg version of Cap's super serum.

edited 20th Oct '15 8:52:45 AM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45030: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:00:51 AM

Well, we know they acknowledged Crossbones is hilariously outclassed by the Avengers and gave him some sort of robotic exoskeleton to even the odds, so they could try something similar with Zemo.

Or hey maybe he even got the same bootleg super soldier cocktail used on Bucky.

[up]It seems like things are slowly (VERY slowly) moving forward on that front a bit, since it was announced recently that the censors are going to allow a movie about a gay interracial romance to be shown.

edited 20th Oct '15 9:01:51 AM by comicwriter

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45031: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:02:44 AM

"Not that I want to bring in the whole debate again, but there's more reasons for wanting the Mandarin changed than just pandering to the Chinese market. A lot of people including myself think the character is too outdated and full of Unfortunate Implications to play straight anymore. It's more than just trying to appease China."

And I'd agree with you had the update of his character in Extremis not happened. Today, he's a calculating, powerful villain with none of the buck-toothed, Yellow Peril caricature-ness from the days of yore. Picture David Xanatos, but asian and with the enough raw power to bang up Tony's armor. That's it!

edited 20th Oct '15 9:03:17 AM by nervmeister

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45032: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:02:50 AM

Well, Marvel naturally wants to appease the Chinese market, but hey, every bit of diversity is welcome. It is certainly better than cutting random scenes with doctors into their movies for the foreign release. Hopefully the Avengers will become more international in general, even if the chance of getting a German hero is slim at best.

And the chance that we will get Amadeus Cho one day has just risen. Though I suspect they will use the Inhumans as an vehicle for their Asian characters on the big screen, judging by Ao S.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45033: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:06:29 AM

Though I suspect they will use the Inhumans as an vehicle for their Asian characters on the big screen, judging by AoS.

I...don't see what AOS has to do with it. Because it has two Asian characters? One of them is an Inhuman, yes, but the other is a regular human (well, a regular superspy, but still). And the other Inhuman main character we have is Caucasian.

I think the fact that AOS has two Asian main characters is more up to the fact that one of the showrunners is Maurissa Tancharoen, who has talked about the fact that Asian people don't get many big roles in movies and television (in fact, she sang a whole song about it called "Nobody's Asian in the Movies").

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45035: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:21:00 AM

[up][up]Yes, but they didn't just cast some Asians in the show, but also suggested a connection between Inhumans and Asia. At the very least they established that the Inhuman Gen can turn in everyone, no matter from where he or she is from.

Mmm...Iso sounds like exactly the kind of minor character which might turn up in one of the shows at one point. Not too well known, but with an ability which can be easily translated to screen in a reasonable budget.

edited 20th Oct '15 9:22:53 AM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45036: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:35:08 AM

Yes, but they didn't just cast some Asians in the show, but also suggested a connection between Inhumans and Asia.

The only connection was that one of their bases, Afterlife, was in China (probably, it's never verified). And that base is no longer used anymore.

I mean, that's like saying SHIELD has a connection to Canada since they had a base in Canada.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#45037: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:40:48 AM

Isn't it also implied that China is where the Kree first touched down? Someone in season 2 has a line about stories from the east when they're discussing the diviner's origins.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45038: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:41:04 AM

Ideally Marvel should be interested in developing their Chinese characters already without needing pressure from China itself to do so, but I suppose that's characteristic of them at this point.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#45039: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:43:06 AM

[up][up][up] Jiaying had been the leader of the Afterlife Inhumans for decades (at least) and was living in China when she met Cal.

Since Gorden was the first teleporter known to Afterlife, back then she would of had to be living near where the Inhumans were based.

edited 20th Oct '15 9:43:41 AM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45040: Oct 20th 2015 at 9:54:31 AM

Marvel did introduce a Chinese team of Avengers-like heroes not too long ago so I wonder if they may do something with them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45041: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:31:55 AM

A quote from Vin Diesel from the Happy Sad Confused Podcast concerning his supposed role in the Inhumans.

“It’s not a matter of me wooing Marvel, it’s a matter of Marvel wooing me. And I love them, but I’m just saying, show me a dope script and show me a great director, all of which I know that Kevin [Feige] is capable of, because he dazzled me when he suggested Groot. […] I thought it was genius. I’m not doing anything just for work. I’m doing things that I can feel passionate about, and that I feel like I can contribute to.”

Okay, I can't be the only one who is getting more and more annoyed by this guy. If I were in Marvel's place, this were the point at which I would hire anyone but him, even if I had been interested beforehand.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45042: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:33:15 AM

Because he wanted to do something he liked rather than anything they threw at him?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#45043: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:33:19 AM

Vin as Blackbolt is still something I desire.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#45044: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:34:29 AM

Yeah... I don't see anything unreasonable about Vin's position, there.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
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#45045: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:35:31 AM

The latest entry in Vin Diesel's passion project made $1.5 billion and became the #5 highest grossing film of all time, beating everything Marvel Studios has ever made except the first Avengers. This is a man who can afford to do things for the art, not because a successful studio waved a paycheck under his nose.

edited 20th Oct '15 10:36:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#45046: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:40:56 AM

I’m doing things that I can feel passionate about, and that I feel like I can contribute to.

Yes, like saying "I am Groot" multiple times.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45047: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:41:49 AM

Well, yeah. If that's what he's passionate about, then he has a right to it.

edited 20th Oct '15 10:41:59 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45048: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:42:19 AM

No, because he is advertising himself for a specific role and dropping hints left and right, even though none of the cast of Inhumans are signed on yet. I HATE it when actors angle for specific roles in the social media.

Look, when Marvel wooed Benedict Cumberbatch, he didn't even admit anything when he was directly asked about it. He just said that playing the role would be cool. Which is what an actor should do. Marvel will announce the cast for the movie when they want.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45049: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:42:27 AM

Marvel should just hired Kevin Tancharoen to direct Inhumans. He's directed a bunch of episodes of Agents of SHIELD and has shown that he can do amazing action sequences. And, like many of the other Marvel directors, he has directed one previous film (the 2009 Fame).

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#45050: Oct 20th 2015 at 10:43:22 AM

[up][up][up]It doesn't even fall under the definition of voice acting.

edited 20th Oct '15 10:43:40 AM by HextarVigar

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.

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