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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#45001: Oct 19th 2015 at 11:27:56 PM

Congrats on this thread getting 45000 + 1 posts (which is this one)!

Woooooo!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#45002: Oct 19th 2015 at 11:57:33 PM

Can I just say that there's something magical about a supervillain whose shtick is superglue.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45003: Oct 20th 2015 at 12:19:29 AM

Ah, that's nothing. Now if he had a whole pot of paste, and maybe a cool name like Pete (plus a goatee), then he'd be a real supervillain.

edited 20th Oct '15 12:22:05 AM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#45004: Oct 20th 2015 at 12:25:33 AM

Just what is he going to do there? Try to spray him with a hot glue gun and watch as it all burns up and fizzles away before it even reaches his body?

I think the real challenge the Human Torch is facing there is "How do I subdue this guy without accidentally killing him?"

edited 20th Oct '15 12:26:05 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#45005: Oct 20th 2015 at 12:25:47 AM

The funny thing is that Paste Pot Trapster turned out to be the key to undoing Zemo's reign of adhesive tyranny.

Proving which one of them is the true master of glue.

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#45006: Oct 20th 2015 at 1:57:19 AM

Sometimes I look back at some of these classic hero/villain concepts and I wonder whether they had too many ideas or too few.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45007: Oct 20th 2015 at 2:07:03 AM

I think they had too many ideas and too few creative ones.

In the end, though, a villain needs to only two things: A motivation the audience understands and the power to threaten the hero in one way or another. Ideally there is also something which makes him or her memorable, like a good design (Darth Vader, the Joker, the Disney Villains), a song (Again, most of the Disney Villains), a character trait which makes him or her stand out (Loki, Xanathos).

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#45008: Oct 20th 2015 at 2:08:37 AM

Lets be fair. They had to come up with something every month.

There's going to be duds.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#45009: Oct 20th 2015 at 6:22:08 AM

Paste Pot not being one of them.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45010: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:06:57 AM

Either Zemo survives, or they Never Found the Body in a way that isn't necessarily final.
But think of all the potentially lost screentime for Loki if he survives!

edited 20th Oct '15 7:08:28 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45011: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:09:59 AM

I think the real challenge the Human Torch is facing there is "How do I subdue this guy without accidentally killing him?"

Someone once joked that the only challenge for beating him is to defeat him without walking away looking like you're covered in jizz.

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#45012: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:24:34 AM

I'm not at all surprised about the mask. Hollywood doesn't like to have their pretty actors permanently obscured. They paid good money for Daniel Bruhl and they want to put his face on posters and plaster it all over trailers.

edited 20th Oct '15 7:24:43 AM by TobiasDrake

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#45013: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:27:02 AM

I'll never understand the fascination with seeing people's faces. Why does it matter?

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#45014: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:31:50 AM

Maybe Zemo could wear a mask of himself, that he wears to hide his scars? It would be a nice callback to the Red Skull.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45015: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:34:28 AM

[up][up]In most cases if you're gonna cover up the actor entirely, there's really no reason to shell out the big bucks to pay for them. You could just get away with a stuntman and voice actor like they do in Power Rangers.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45016: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:41:18 AM

[up][up][up]It's to ensure the actor gets to self-advertise and thus help them continue to get work. On that note, mad respect to Hugo Weaving for going against that grain.

edited 20th Oct '15 7:42:35 AM by nervmeister

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45018: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:44:50 AM

[up]Fuck China (or rather, their government). MCU has catered to them enough.

edited 20th Oct '15 7:48:38 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#45020: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:48:48 AM

[up][up]Chill.

It's to ensure the actor gets to self-advertise and thus help them continue to get work. On that note, mad respect to Hugo Weaving for going against that grain.

Well even then that's sort of a split case. They certainly made sure we had plenty of shots of Weaving's mug for the first half of the movie before we saw the Skull's true face.

edited 20th Oct '15 7:49:50 AM by comicwriter

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45021: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:52:13 AM

[up]Don't forget V For Vendetta.

And addressing your preceding one-word pragraph, sorry. I'll admit a hemorrhoid in my ass over 'the Slattery incident' motivated that last post. In fact, I'm not sure if I should blame China's "Big Brother" more than I should Marvel for simply being incompetent in that regard. Looking at this news on its own however, that's cool.

edited 20th Oct '15 8:25:59 AM by nervmeister

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#45022: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:12:53 AM

During almost all his history, Zemo has been a megalomaniac bent on revenge against Captain America and, at one point, his former subordinates in the Thunderbolts. He is, however, more patient, forward-thinking, and innovative than most people who call themselves criminal masterminds.

Zemo has no inherent superpowers, but usually carries hi-tech equipment such as lasers, mind control devices, and ancient artifacts like moonstones. He is skilled with the sword and hand-to hand combat. Lastly he's a gifted strategist, tactician, and inventor.

Well that's all you need to know to transfer him over into live action. There isn't much else for what he offers other than being good at prep and manipulation on the global scale.

edited 20th Oct '15 8:32:36 AM by xbimpy

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#45023: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:18:44 AM

Zemo also benefits from the fact that, as a Badass Normal, events will conspire to place him on top of superpowered entities even when it's completely unjustifiable. I call this The Batman Principle.

For reference, see that episode of Earth's Mightiest Heroes in which he established dominance over the Masters of Evil by defeating the Abomination in a duel, achieved by tripping him with his sword so he falls down.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#45024: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:19:40 AM

[up][up]Yeah, they're probably gonna prune a lot of that out and just keep the swordsman and strategist aspects of him (if I know the MCU).

edited 20th Oct '15 8:20:13 AM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#45025: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:23:59 AM

Zemo also benefits from the fact that, as a Badass Normal, events will conspire to place him on top of superpowered entities even when it's completely unjustifiable. I call this The Batman Principle.

So far the MCU has avoided the Batman Principle, though. I don't actually remember any regular humans going up against any superpowered humans and winning - even in the Captain America vs. Batroc fight, it's clear that though Batroc is good, Cap is better.


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