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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44926: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:42:23 PM

[up]I mean.

What we've been told is that what got cut is more development for Christopher Elfliston. Which wouldn't have made Thor more compelling, which is the crux of my complaint here.

Is Thor this boring in the comics? I suppose he couldn't be if he's lasted this long with his own ongoings and such.

edited 15th Oct '15 8:43:03 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#44927: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:45:18 PM

Thor's just this guy, you know?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#44928: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:49:10 PM

I really disagree with Thor being a boring character. He's a fantastically amusing Boisterous Bruiser Blood Knight of sorts. His problem is that the plot shafts him in both Avengers and the plot in the Thor movies don't use him to his full extent.

But as a character, he's great.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44929: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:51:38 PM

[up]He kinda gets over being that in the first Thor movie, though. As mentioned. His character development is way too thorough.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44930: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:58:58 PM

I think his character development is too sloppy. His so called redemption act in Thor is, along with the romance, the big weakness of the movie. What is so great about it is entirely Loki's arc, not Thor's.

Same with The Dark World. He is compelling when he plays of Loki, because their relationship is the one part of his character they have properly developed, but everything else falls kind of flat.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#44931: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:00:36 PM

Not really. He's still boisterous, battle-loving and jovial warrior. He just stopped being obsessed with war to the point of murderous insanity as he was early in the first movie and toned down his ego.

He still has flaws to explore, namely being hot-headed and often not thinking things through or the simple obvious fact there's more to heroism than "bashing things with a hammer" or somesuch.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:01:36 PM by Gaon

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#44932: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:06:12 PM

Thor 2 was a bit of a disappointment, but it was still a quality film.

Shame that Malekith and the Dark Keebler Elves couldn't get more development, though.

I think I'd have had Malekith go full nutso after ingesting the Aether, and become more like his comics counterpart than remaining Stoics McSeriousface for the whole film.

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PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44933: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:08:43 PM

Personally I can't really get behind the idea of a complete Planet Hulk film.

•There are plenty of stories to tell that are far less complicated than giving an explanation as to why Hulk is in Space/Asgard/wherever it may be

•There's very little Banner from what I remember, and having the films main character be a green raging beast isn't the same as something like, say, King Kong, where the beast is a major character but there are still humans to play around with. (Even with other gladiators I doubt the film would focus on them.)

•People seem perfectly content with having this event take place in other films, as we've been talking about. Whether it be with the Guardians, Thor, or whoever.

•I really want to see the Leader. Or any other Hulk villain really. Hell, when are we gonna see Hulk fight Red Hulk on screen?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44934: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:09:13 PM

Is Thor this boring in the comics? I suppose he couldn't be if he's lasted this long with his own ongoings and such.

I would recommend reading Thor by Walter Simonson, which is one of the most classic runs on Thor, if you want a good story to read. If you want to read a more modern story, then I would go with Thor: God of Thunder, which is actually about Thor during three moments in his life: young Prince Thor, Thor the Avenger, and King Thor of Broken Asgard. And believe me, Thor is very much not boring in either one of those books.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44935: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:29:54 PM

[up][up]

Same. I believe it was said somewhere, I think by an actual big name comic writer, that the Hulk is really boring once the novelty wears off and with the exception of a few writers like David (and Pak) he usually did better on the Avengers comics than his own solo series because he had teammates to make him more interesting.

Also damn, Joblo right on the money for the third time in a row.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#44936: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:33:11 PM

I think I'd have had Malekith go full nutso after ingesting the Aether, and become more like his comics counterpart than remaining Stoics Mc Seriousface for the whole film.
Agreed. I reread what I own of Simonson's run before going to see the movie, and found the villain to be Malekith In Name Only.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44937: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:47:27 PM

[up][up] Actually, the best Hulk writers (Pak, David, and even Bill Mantlo) tended to give the Hulk a large supporting cast, because it was really hard to write stories about, you know, a large green rage monster by himself. And all three of those writers ended up making the Hulk smarter (David and Mantlo gave him Banner's intelligence, while Pak gave him the "Green Scar" personality) so he could have longer conversations. I do think if they want to give him an entire movie, that's pretty much what they need to do, instead of just retreating "Hulk run away, Hulk angry, Hulk smash!"

And also introduce She-Hulk. Because she's awesome.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:48:24 PM by alliterator

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#44938: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:58:41 PM

And Rick Jones. Seriously, get Rick Jones into those damn movies already.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#44939: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:12:34 PM

Fuck yes, Thor and Hulk teaming together should be awesome.

I wish Iron Man 3 had the Hulk in it tbh.

Maybe we'll see one of the Hulk's other personas in this movie.

Maybe the bad guy is the Enchantress and abducts the Hulk to control him and make him fight Thor.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44940: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:15:03 PM

I wish Iron Man 3 had the Hulk in it tbh.

It technically did.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#44941: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:27:00 PM

Boooo. Not good enough.

Last time we saw in the Avengers, he was chilling with Tony.

I would've liked an explanation of what he was doing while Iron Man 3 happened.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#44942: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:43:23 PM

I'll just pipe up for a second here. If Thor is responsible for Hulk being on Asgard, someone further up asked "how did Thor find him?". I would assume he had Heimdal (did I spell that right?) find him, seeing as he has omniscient vision and all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44943: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:45:02 PM

Last time we saw in the Avengers, he was chilling with Tony.

Well, at the end of Iron Man 3, he was still chilling with Tony. I assume that he didn't intervene with the Mandarin because, well, it all happened pretty fast and he didn't really know where Tony was during most of it (remember, the entire movie took place over a few days).

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44944: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:20:32 PM

Also, Tony was basically off the grid for a good portion of it. He couldn't be found, and he didn't want to be.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#44945: Oct 16th 2015 at 12:02:37 AM

I imagine the dialogue went like this:

"We need you to crush Killian and his Extremis goons . . ."

"Can do."

". . . without crushing the President they're holding hostage."

(beat)

"Yeah, I might not be that guy for that."

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#44946: Oct 16th 2015 at 2:18:32 AM

I really like the idea that Thor helped Banner get of the grid. That's an act of friendship I like to see between Avengers.

Also, further commitment to characters without films being supporting characters in other people's films makes me wonder who's going to appear in Ant-Man and The Wasp. Being two years post Civil War reasonably any member of the current Avengers could turn up.

It strikes me that Vision and Wanda are the most in need of character development. And as historically Vision (And by extension Wanda) are part of the Pym Dynasty it would be a good fit. Whether that can apply in the MCU depends on whether or not the rumours that The Ultron Project Tony used in Ao U was something Hank started back way back when pan out.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44947: Oct 16th 2015 at 2:33:26 AM

Plus, Thor shouldn't have any problems finding Hulk...he just has to ask Heimdal.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44948: Oct 16th 2015 at 2:42:25 AM

I wonder if Heimdall could find all the Infinity Stones for him.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#44949: Oct 16th 2015 at 2:44:18 AM

Double Plus; Banner's main concern at the moment is that he can be mind controlled into being the Hulk; Asguard is the only place he knows of with the magic able to protect him from that.

(Stephan Strange would probably be able to do a better job though, and is less likely to have the Enchantress turn up to spoil the fun)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44950: Oct 16th 2015 at 2:47:21 AM

I don't think that Heimdal can look further than the nine realms.


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