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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#44827: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:14:15 AM

[up][up][up]Not really. Jiaying is basically Magneto.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44828: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:14:17 AM

'sigh'...Marvel has also issued a denial.

But I am still wondering what the heck Fox offered Marvel for the permission to do those shows....

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44829: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:15:06 AM

Yeah Jiaying was always Inhuman!Magneto.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44831: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:18:28 AM

[up]Maybe...I haven't lost hope yet, though. After all, Marvel and Sony also denied the Spider-man deal up until they issued an official announcement. And F4 is still in theatres.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44832: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:19:46 AM

The Spider-Man deal is a good point. It's just good business to keep deals like that in the dark.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44833: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:20:22 AM

[up][up][up][up]Ultimate Magneto for sure.

edited 15th Oct '15 11:21:57 AM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#44835: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:22:23 AM

Its not so ridiculous that a wormhole would affect Tony more than any of his villains.

They were all things within his context. Even if they came close to killing him, they are all things he can understand and overcome.

The trip through the wormhole nearly killed him and acted as kind of a total perspective vortex for him.

He is a dot on a dot on a dot on a dot on a dot that says you are here.

You are tiny, you are weak, and you are unprepared for whats out there.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44836: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:24:17 AM

[up][up]616 Mags wouldn't try to murder his own children over them not being on board with his plans.

[up]Existential dread is fine and all. But would it have hurt to give Tony a personal nemesis that by him/herself could leave half that kind of lingering itch on Tony? Tony has treated all of his previous villains as not even footnotes after their downfall. We've never seen Tony go, "I'll never forget what that bastard did to me/Pepper/Happy/etc." for any of his rogues. Yeah, it got a bit personal with The fake Mandarin after Happy nearly bit it. But that was gone soon after in the same movie. We need more MCU villains who actually can get under the hero's skin and stay there even when they're long dead.

edited 15th Oct '15 11:35:51 AM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#44837: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:34:16 AM

[up] I honestly don't think that would be as interesting, at least for Tony.

And honestly, that sort of villain seems kind of played out.

edited 15th Oct '15 11:35:03 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44838: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:39:31 AM

[up]But if the villain in question is the person's ARCH enemy, then shouldn't he/she kind of go above and beyond the usual song-and-dance most of the Rogues Gallery puts the hero through and really f**k with him/her in some cerebral way (confidence, beliefs/worldview, etc.) ?

edited 15th Oct '15 11:42:51 AM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#44839: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:42:37 AM

[up] Well, considering how all the main villains die at the end of Iron Man movies, I don't know if they can do a good job of that.

Also, I'd prefer to avoid Stuffed in the Fridge.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44840: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:45:07 AM

Yeah, "killing hero's girlfriend in order to motivate him" is a stupid plot thing. I much prefer what we got, which was Pepper kicking ass and killing the bad guy.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44841: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:45:45 AM

[up][up]Like I said, the villain in question doesn't necessarily have to remain alive in order leave a lasting mark on our hero.

[up]...AND no one has to be Stuffed in the Fridge either. Sometimes, just making the hero question his own beliefs and values can be enough.

edited 15th Oct '15 11:49:26 AM by nervmeister

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#44842: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:50:31 AM

Honestly, I'm not sure if this is the medium for it. I just don't feel like such a villain is necessary here.

edited 15th Oct '15 11:51:14 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44843: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:59:38 AM

Man, you know what would have been wild? If they adapted Demon in a Bottle. If they just let Tony sink into alcoholism and despair.

Of course, it would be dark as hell and Marvel would probably never want Iron Man to be seen as an alcoholic, but still.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44844: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:59:42 AM

Anything's better than that PTS thing Tony had, but I've seen no real good replacement for it.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#44845: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:02:28 PM

The Spider-Man deal is a good point. It's just good business to keep deals like that in the dark.

Why exactly? Because news that huge would obliterate the Internet twice and that's not always a good thing?

Also, Marvel and Sony denied the Spider-Man deal at first? Don't recall hearing about that...

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#44846: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:03:56 PM

I find it interesting that Vanko was actively trying to be the sort of villain Nervmeister described, only, you know, he wasn't very effective at that aspect, probably due to the convoluted nature of the movie and the greater personal threat Palladium poisoning had on Tony.

I swear, that film tried to do too much and did too little with all of it.

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#44847: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:04:53 PM

Man, you know what would have been wild? If they adapted Demon in a Bottle. If they just let Tony sink into alcoholism and despair.

Of course, it would be dark as hell and Marvel would probably never want Iron Man to be seen as an alcoholic, but still.

They sort of did, they just did a shitty job of it.

Iron Man 2 starts out like it's going to be Demon in a Bottle but then suddenly uses a curve ball to avoid anything really being Tony's fault.

edited 15th Oct '15 12:05:27 PM by TobiasDrake

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44848: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:05:54 PM

@Karkat The Dalek

Hey. Bane managed to give Batman quite a bit of psychological trouble simply by making him overtax himself and then beating him to near death, no H-lectures or fridge surprises required (unless you're referring to the TDKR version). The ultimate damage was not to Bruce's spine but his confidence. Something like that. So a mostly physical threat can be a good option too, especially if the hero in question prides him/herself on his abilities.

edited 15th Oct '15 12:08:58 PM by nervmeister

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44849: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:26:21 PM

@Mousa The 14

Ha ha! So Palladium and wormhole. Two things with no agency of their own have destabilized Tony worse than the very individuals out for his blood/misery..........and alcoholism. Real shame too. Because I could see a glimmer of potential in Vanko's characterization too. I mean, if his lines are fondly quotable among us, then there was something there that could've really taken off. But alas.

edited 15th Oct '15 12:29:55 PM by nervmeister

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#44850: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:30:31 PM

Tony privatized world peace. He's the Invincible Iron Man. He's more than ready for people to be out for his blood. It's something he can handle.

What he can't handle are things that can kill him without ever giving him the chance to fight back. Things he can't just shoot missiles into until they go down.

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