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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44801: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:35:35 AM

Mentioned this before, but my impression (from Ms. Marvel and Agents of Shield) is that the Inhumans are an attempt to have Mutants but without the persecuted minority metaphor (I like to think of them as One Percenter Mutants).
I really dunno how you can read Ms. Marvel and think inhumanity isn't a metaphor for persecution.

I'll grant that it's a far more nuanced one than Marvel's usually capable of, but let's be honest, that's not an especially high bar.

...actually, coming away from Agents of SHIELD thinking Inhumans aren't persecuted is a bit more baffling, considering that in season 2 they were all in hiding due to previous human persecution and in season 3 there's a government task force devoted to hunting them down.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44802: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:40:56 AM

Well, have to admit have only watched the first season of AOS- so I can see not a good generalization.

With Kamala, she's a persecuted minority as a Muslim-American, not as an Inhuman, and being an Inhuman is primarily the source of her powers- it isn't really part of her identity.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44803: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:43:57 AM

Most of the population doesn't know she's Inhuman, though.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44804: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:44:26 AM

Rumor is that marvel is looking at Ryan Coogler to direct Black Panther.

I'm down for it. Fruitvale Station was excellent.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44805: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:47:38 AM

Well, like I said from the get go, we won't know if the rumour is true or not until there is an official announcement...(I really hope that it is true and that one of the scheduled movie is a Silver Surfer one).

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#44807: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:00:43 AM

I definitely think it's possible Marvel got the Fantastic Four, or at least part of the movie rights package, back. But I'm not going to call it until I hear something official from Marvel.

Even if they did, that might just mean that Marvel might start mining their supporting cast and rogues gallery instead of making a proper Fantastic Four movie for the foreseeable future.

Apparently in the comics Doctor Doom in particular tends to be at his best when he isn't dealing with the Fantastic Four directly.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44808: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:03:07 AM

[up][up]Well, we know have one article which claims they have one source but won't say that it is true until they have verified it with a second source and another one which claims that they have several sources which deny it, but also says that it might be true nevertheless. In short, we still don't know anything.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44809: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:31:00 AM

[up][up] If they make Doom a snarking Iron Man villain in the MCU, I'm going to punch someone in the ballgina.

edited 15th Oct '15 10:32:13 AM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44810: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:33:03 AM

Robert Downey Jr. is the MCU's golden boy. It wouldn't surprise me if Doom became Iron Man's Arch-Enemy.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44811: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:36:04 AM

RDJ is also 50 and knows that he can't keep playing Iron Man forever. I have a feeling Infinity War is going to be his last appearance.

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#44812: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:36:51 AM

Doom and Iron Man have clashed several times in the comics. Outside the FF, Stark and Strange tend to be his go-to nemeses.

However, as noted, RDJ can't keep playing Iron Man forever.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44813: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:37:23 AM

[up][nja][up][up].....and my first candidate has stepped forward. -glare-

But seriously, we cannot let this happen.

edited 15th Oct '15 10:39:47 AM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44814: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:38:46 AM

We can't do anything. If it happens, it happens.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44815: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:39:06 AM

First of all, it's not, so calm down.

Second of all, what exactly would you do about it? Because whining on the internet has proven to be completely ineffective.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44816: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:44:39 AM

[up]It worked with the Ninja Turtles movie! Who knows? It could work again!

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44817: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:45:45 AM

And frankly, it turned what was always going to be a bad movie into a much worse movie. So I don't think that's what you want to prop your argument up on.

Also, "snarky Iron Man villain" is a strawman. Such a thing doesn't exist. You took what you don't like about the franchise and made something up based on that.

Stane is wry, but does very little snarking once his true intentions are revealed. Vanko doesn't even seem capable of it. Hammer, admittedly, does, but Hammer's entire character is that he's a d-bag. And while I may be misremembering Iron Man 3, Kilian was more of the gloating type than he was the making-snappy-remarks type.

The only MCU villains I would say have any particular capacity for snark are Loki and Ultron.

edited 15th Oct '15 10:47:47 AM by BadWolf21

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#44818: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:49:55 AM

On the subject of Ms. Marvel, issue # 13 definitely draws parallels to real life groups - specifically, Kamala gets pissed at a Nuhuman who goes around blowing things up while spouting the usual "We are the superior beings!" speech basically saying that people like her end up making the rest of them look bad.

Oh God! Natural light!
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44819: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:50:28 AM

[up][up]I was mostly alluding to Ultron when I mentioned snarking. That being said, I rather not see that kind of Rogues Transplant happen again.

edited 15th Oct '15 10:50:55 AM by nervmeister

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44820: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:51:44 AM

I don't really expect to see RDJ in another movie after Infinity War. It was hard (and expensive) enough to get him for this one and Civil War. Plus, they have already started with phasing him out of the universe. Who will take his place...who knows. Maybe Chris Evans, if he is ready to sign another contract.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44821: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:54:52 AM

Hey there were always those stupid rumors the kid from Iron Man 3 was gonna replace RDJ as the new Iron Man.

Fox officially says it's not happening.

edited 15th Oct '15 10:55:44 AM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44822: Oct 15th 2015 at 10:56:04 AM

Re Ms. Marvel, this is probably an oversimplification, but with Kamala and her brother, the presentation seems to be that they reject Inhuman solidarity because of their human (and ethnic) identities.

So, it's like they/the comic rejects the persecuted minority metaphor because the character already belongs to an actual persecuted minority group- there's no reason for them to belong to a metaphorical one.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44823: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:04:04 AM

Re Ms. Marvel, this is probably an oversimplification, but with Kamala and her brother, the presentation seems to be that they reject Inhuman solidarity because of their human (and ethnic) identities.

Uh, no. For one thing, her brother has no idea about their Inhuman ancestry. And Kamala pretty much has embraced her Inhumanity - she pals around with Lockjaw and she has spoken to Queen Medusa, but she prefers to live in New Jersey and not New Attilan.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44824: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:05:18 AM

AOS was going the persecuted minority route last season and then made the weird decision to have the leader of said persecuted minorities turn out to be an Omnicidal Maniac.

edited 15th Oct '15 11:06:02 AM by comicwriter

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44825: Oct 15th 2015 at 11:07:12 AM

I just realized something: The one villain who left the greatest psychological scar on Iron Man in the MCU wasn't Ultron, The Mandarin, or even alcoholism.........It was a wormhole...A. wormhole............HOW SAD IS IT that ALL of these adapted supervillains couldn't mess with Stark worse than a goddamn passageway!? It's like making "the ladder" the final boss of Metal Gear Solid 3, and having Big Boss suffer PTSD flashbacks about it in later games!

edited 15th Oct '15 11:12:28 AM by nervmeister


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