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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44776: Oct 15th 2015 at 6:28:55 AM

[up]Might be a better deal though than facing with the choice to make another F4 movie in a few year or letting the rights laps. In the latter case, Fox gets nothing for them, and in the former case, they risk another box office bomb.

Plus, since Marvel is busy putting the X-men more in the background, the TV shows will allow more cross promotion.

edited 15th Oct '15 6:29:37 AM by Swanpride

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#44777: Oct 15th 2015 at 6:37:03 AM

For what it's worth, 5 years (the span of 2015 to 2020) is a pretty long time.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44778: Oct 15th 2015 at 6:42:45 AM

[up]Yeah, but the fanbase has a pretty long memory, too, when it comes to those things. There is a reason why DC starts with Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the Flash and not with Green Lantern.

Edit: At least Den of Geeks agrees with me: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/fantastic-four/37372/fantastic-four-back-at-marvel-movie-planned-for-2020

But even if it is logical, I wouldn't trust one questionable source just yet. If it is true though...then I have to point out that I predicted this exchange a few months ago.

edited 15th Oct '15 7:01:59 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44780: Oct 15th 2015 at 7:03:14 AM

[up][up][up]Five years isn't that long. They waited 5 years to reboot the Hulk and that didn't turn out well either.

As for Den of Geek I'll wait on more secure confirmation. Right now it just sounds like someone made the leap of "Marvel just announced three films. Marvel looks to be on better terms with Fox now. FF!!!" rather than any actual info.

edited 15th Oct '15 7:03:30 AM by comicwriter

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#44781: Oct 15th 2015 at 7:08:51 AM

[up][up]Daredevil was a decade later and it wasn't a film.

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#44782: Oct 15th 2015 at 7:14:12 AM

That's just not how business works. No company, especially Disney/Marvel, is just going to throw something they own to another studio without incentive, let alone coproduce it. Fox has definitely given up something on their end.

X-Men: Days of Future Past made $748 million and Marvel got a chunk of that. That's their incentive. Either they can coproduce the shows and make tons of money, or they can bogart the TV rights and not make any money.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44783: Oct 15th 2015 at 7:15:40 AM

Daredevil was low-risk. It is not like a TV show has a budget with is even close to what even a lower budget Marvel movie costs. Plus, between all those badly received Superhero movies which were made around this time, Daredevil was actually one of the better ones. It isn't considered infamously bad, just not particularly good.

[up]Money is only one aspect. Marvel is currently trying to get a grip on the Live Action TV segment. Why should they want not one but two rival shows during that phase? Plus, the only reason why Marvel can't make an X-men TV show themselves is because Fox took advantage of the weakened state of the company and sued for what wasn't theirs. There is no way that Marvel would let them "win" for good without more in the mix than money.

edited 15th Oct '15 7:18:32 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44784: Oct 15th 2015 at 7:39:41 AM

"Rival" shows depends on when exactly they're airing. If they're taking away ratings from Agent Carter or Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that's one thing but Marvel was fine with Fox doing their thing until relatively recently. The hostility between the two companies really only hit ridiculous levels in the last several years.

I'm interested to see if this leads to Marvel easing up a bit.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44785: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:16:45 AM

I still have yet to see any hostility.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44786: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:51:19 AM

Pulling the license for X-Men merchandise, removing them from all sorts of group photos and apparel, barring them from appearing in video games (the producers of Disney Infinity explicitly mentioned they were barred from using X-Men or FF characters) isn't hostility?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44787: Oct 15th 2015 at 8:53:08 AM

Yeah, why should Marvel do that? It is not like Fox took Marvel to court...oh...wait a minute....tongue

edited 15th Oct '15 8:54:05 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44788: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:03:27 AM

Eh, I still don't know who at Marvel thought that Mutant X nonsense was a good idea. It was even more obvious than what they're trying now with the Inhumans.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:04:15 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44789: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:16:29 AM

Pulling the license for X-Men merchandise, removing them from all sorts of group photos and apparel, barring them from appearing in video games (the producers of Disney Infinity explicitly mentioned they were barred from using X-Men or FF characters) isn't hostility?

No, it's not hostility. It's the fact that Fox has merchandising rights, not Marvel. That means if Marvel puts out merchandise with the FF or the X-Men, Fox gets a cut. This is actually probably what the deal was about - Marvel gets more of the merchandising rights in exchange for Fox getting the TV shows.

Also, rumor is false.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:17:07 AM by alliterator

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44790: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:19:08 AM

BTW, how funny and depressing would it be if mutants and inhumans were racist (or bigoted) towards each other?

edited 15th Oct '15 9:19:38 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44791: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:21:01 AM

They are. The first issue of the Uncanny Avengers relaunch has Rogue being really hostile and mean to their new Inhuman member.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44792: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:22:34 AM

[up]Oh my god. Are you kidding? (rhetorical question) sad

EDIT: and of ALL the mutants to get pissy, it's the one who's very unsafe ability doesn't have an "off switch", and she knows it.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:26:54 AM by nervmeister

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44794: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:25:23 AM

They are. The first issue of the Uncanny Avengers relaunch has Rogue being really hostile and mean to their new Inhuman member.

No, she's not. She was perfectly fine with Psynapse being there. She just snapped at a reporter because of the Terrigen mists and called them "Inhuman poison" (which is not incorrect, considering she herself is being poisoned by them).

edited 15th Oct '15 9:25:44 AM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#44795: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:25:40 AM

Its Rogue

Hostile is one of her main personality traits these days.

God, the first run of Uncanny Avengers was unpleasant.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44796: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:26:29 AM

It's why I stopped keeping up with Uncanny Avengers after 5 issues.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:26:37 AM by VeryMelon

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44797: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:29:06 AM

The new Uncanny Avengers has a new creative team - Gerry Duggan, writer of Deadpool, is the current writer.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#44798: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:29:08 AM

You were smarter than I.

I kept reading until Earth blew up and found myself thinking "good"

That's not a great sign, really.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44799: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:32:09 AM

Mentioned this before, but my impression (from Ms. Marvel and Agents of Shield) is that the Inhumans are an attempt to have Mutants but without the persecuted minority metaphor (I like to think of them as One Percenter Mutants).

Because it's like you have groups of Inhumans who consider themselves superior to normal humans, along the lines of Magneto's Brotherood- but their targeting of normal humans is proactive rather than reactive.

And similarly, although Kamala and Daisy/Skye aren't hostile to other Inhumans, part of their characterization is the fact that they identify with humans, not Inhumans. This is very different from the X Men, who while protecting humans, have always been their own, separate group.

Edit- I forget if this was something about Uncanny Avengers, but IIRC there was something criticizing the idea of having a "mutant identity" and the presentation of Inhumans seems to continue this.

edited 15th Oct '15 9:34:28 AM by Hodor2

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44800: Oct 15th 2015 at 9:32:22 AM

Yeah, everything I heard about the next arc just told me not paying attention was a better idea.


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