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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#44751: Oct 14th 2015 at 6:20:31 PM

Speaking as someone who knows people who suffer from Dissociative Personality Disorder; I really hope any adaptation of Moon Knight makes clear that he had the disorder before the Egyptian God thing; because otherwize it would just serve to further mystify an already wildly misunderstood disorder.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44752: Oct 14th 2015 at 6:21:29 PM

Yeah. Comics in general are usually pretty terrible when it comes to depicting mental illness.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44754: Oct 14th 2015 at 6:48:34 PM

I actually read what was supposed to be the Origins: Magneto script and it's a travesty. I'm glad any good elements it had were used in First Class rather than putting the series in another dump heap.

PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44755: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:01:19 PM

Speaking of X-Men, it looks like Marvel is helping bring X-Men to TV in a partnership with Fox.

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/622643-x-men-tv-series-hellfire-legion#/slide/1

•First one, "Hellfire", sounds like somebody investigating the Hellfire Club •Second one, "Legion", is about...well...Legion.

This makes me feel like Marvel came to a deal with Fox, so I expect to see at least rumors of marvel developing a new FF.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44756: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:02:33 PM

I wonder if they're going to keep the Beakman hair.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44757: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:15:02 PM

I just said in the live-action TV thread but my guess is they gave up something like merchandising rights to the X-Men, which is what Sony did with Spider-Man at one point. That seemed to ease a lot of tension between them.

As for the FF it's way too soon to try that AGAIN even if it is Marvel this time.

edited 14th Oct '15 8:15:27 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44758: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:21:36 PM

Sony had these grand sweeping ideas for a whole Spider-Man Cinematic Universe but it only takes one underperformer to bring down the whole thing.

You mean the exact thing that happened?

Like, that's not even a hypothetical scenario about a future Spider-Man Cinematic Universe movie. It's what happened with Amazing Spider-Man 2.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44759: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:37:50 PM

[up][up]Fine. They can introduce Silver Surfer (w/ Galactus) or Namor first, then.

edited 14th Oct '15 8:38:36 PM by nervmeister

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44760: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:38:03 PM

Speaking as someone who knows people who suffer from Dissociative Personality Disorder; I really hope any adaptation of Moon Knight makes clear that he had the disorder before the Egyptian God thing; because otherwize it would just serve to further mystify an already wildly misunderstood disorder.

Warren Ellis actually talked to someone with DID, who made him promise to get rid of Spector's DID plotline because of how unrealistic it was - so in the very first issue of Ellis's run, his psychiatrist points out that you can't catch DID from pretending to be other people (or else every actor would have it) and the things Spector was seeing were the result of being possessed by Khonshu.

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#44761: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:39:34 PM

Make mine Marvel.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#44762: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:50:20 PM

It makes about as much sense as some of his actual lines. Scary.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44763: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:54:08 PM

Well, Ultron and Robert California (at least, in his very first appearance) are actually kind of similar. If I'm remembering right, when Robert leaves the interview, Jim describes him as "Brilliant. Terrifying. But brilliant." Or something to that effect.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#44764: Oct 14th 2015 at 10:16:52 PM

I can totally see Ultron saying those lines.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44765: Oct 14th 2015 at 10:37:09 PM

I mean, Robert California is basically a heightened and bizarre version of James Spader's persona, and his persona is what got him cast as Ultron, so...they're basically the same character.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44766: Oct 14th 2015 at 10:48:45 PM

Now I am confused.....it is clear why Fox wants an X-men series, but I don't see how the other series might fit in the MCU, and really, doesn't have Marvel more than enough planned already?

Either way, I had hoped (expected) that this deal somehow involved the Fantastic Four, too. And no, not because of the team itself, but everything which is connected to it. But it looks like Marvel went for the permission to make a TV show instead? Looks like a shoddy deal for Marvel (since they really don't need an X-men TV-show), if you ask me, unless there is more to it.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#44767: Oct 14th 2015 at 10:57:05 PM

You have it backwards. The X-Men shows aren't in the MCU.

Marvel had the X-Men TV rights. Fox wanted to do X-Men shows. Marvel agreed to let them, and co-produce. It's not clear what exactly Marvel gets out of the deal other than market penetration.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44768: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:13:26 PM

The...the shows aren't going to be a part of the MCU. That would be weird. They are going to be a part of Fox's X-Men universe.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44769: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:34:01 PM

[up][up]Okay...I was confused because apparently one show is produced by Fox and the other by Marvel? It is clear that the one by Fox is connected to their universe, but the one by Marvel sounded less specific in this regard....

edited 14th Oct '15 11:35:00 PM by Swanpride

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44770: Oct 15th 2015 at 12:57:15 AM

Okay...I was confused because apparently one show is produced by Fox and the other by Marvel?

Both shows are being co-produced by Fox and Marvel. Because Marvel owns the television rights, but Fox has the film rights. One show will be on Fox, while the other show will be on FX - both channels owned by Fox.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44771: Oct 15th 2015 at 1:09:36 AM

Ah, now I got it...

Which still begs the question: What did Marvel get that they agreed to not one but two TV shows? That one of the mysterious slotted movie might be either a Fantastic Four or a Silver Surfer movie just became more likely.

I mean, would there be a better start in phase 4 than introducing Galactus? As a danger current far, far away but moving closer and closer in the direction of earth?

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44772: Oct 15th 2015 at 4:11:40 AM

Marvel doesn't have F4. It's just a money deal at best. They were being friendly. Fox wants to hold onto F4 and x men forever. They wont give anything up related to them

edited 15th Oct '15 4:13:18 AM by xbimpy

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44773: Oct 15th 2015 at 4:26:58 AM

[up]I just don't think that money cuts it, especially since this move allows another competitor into the TV segment.

And Fox can't hold onto the rights forever without making another movie in a few years. One which might end up yet another box office bomb. (Fox really has a bad year, btw).

edited 15th Oct '15 4:28:44 AM by Swanpride

PCM Since: Oct, 2015
#44774: Oct 15th 2015 at 5:55:39 AM

[up][up] That's just not how business works. No company, especially Disney/Marvel, is just going to throw something they own to another studio without incentive, let alone coproduce it. Fox has definitely given up something on their end.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44775: Oct 15th 2015 at 6:25:19 AM

The deal only solidifies Fox's contract with X Men. The most speculated and easy choice to pick for Marvel Studio's end of the bargain is Fantastic Four because we all want it back home. However, that is a huge brand for Fox to suddenly give up in exchange for two lesser known products that may not gather the viewership they intended. Once again Fox is too stubborn to give up any of their rights, meanwhile Marvel Studios is friendly enough to corporate as long as they get at least something of equal significant amount.

Marvel Studios has three announced movies for 2020 and Dan of Geek insists the first one on being Fantastic Four because of this deal. It's just more proof fans want it back home immediately because of the possibility. I think the possibility is low, that's all. I would be surprised if Fox learned it would be in betters hands at Marvel Studios. That would also mean Fox is desperate for attention by going with two X Men stories that don't make much sense in the long run. To me it sounds like they are running out of hope to keep their verse alive. Give away an arm to keep your wisdom teeth...

edited 15th Oct '15 6:42:35 AM by xbimpy


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